Nagafen - Past to Present

[maliak]

Originally Posted by Ossot

lulz. The people, the raid leader, and the dedication are the reason Onyx & Kraken are successful. Not the few extra classes. Those are just the icing.

It's understandable though, most of the scrubtacular population of nagafen today wasn't around when we were both factioned together in FP. When we were both fighting Havoc & Darkhand daily. When they were exile, and Kraken and Onyx were only a stone's throw behind Havoc.

The fact remains, when factioned, Kraken & Onyx were barely behind the exiled guild. And that was when content was actually hard. When people weren't already decked the fuck out. When PvP gear wasn't jesus like.

Quit fucking crying. The same douchebags who shout about the advantage of class selection in exile are the same fags who will be talking about how Exile are bluebie faggots with no lives in another thread. You contradictory whiney bitches tbh.

You and I had many adventures Ossot, so I wont throw too much wall text your way, but ask Davram why they left Freeport. Why leave freeport at all if you were so "competitive" You weren't here for that gem.

[Ashen]

Originally Posted by Ossot

lulz. The people, the raid leader, and the dedication are the reason Onyx & Kraken are successful. Not the few extra classes. Those are just the icing.

It's understandable though, most of the scrubtacular population of nagafen today wasn't around when we were both factioned together in FP. When we were both fighting Havoc & Darkhand daily. When they were exile, and Kraken and Onyx were only a stone's throw behind Havoc.

The fact remains, when factioned, Kraken & Onyx were barely behind the exiled guild. And that was when content was actually hard. When people weren't already decked the fuck out. When PvP gear wasn't jesus like.

Quit fucking crying. The same douchebags who shout about the advantage of class selection in exile are the same fags who will be talking about how Exile are in another thread. You contradictory whiney bitches tbh.

I can recall most of what your talking about and the fact that people in exile maybe quote 'bluebie faggots with no lives' or not doesn't mean they wouldn't be top raiding guilds in a faction or for that matter any less blubie (as a matter of Fact though when in a faction Onyx were a proper PvP guild). The Game back when your talking about was totally different but the facts are these, Having all classes makes a Difference even more of a difference to more casual raiding guilds, DH,Purity,Insurrection,Vigilante etc etc would be futher on the raiding progression than they are now if they had all the classes available - I'm not saying they would ever outstrip Onyx or Kraken but it would certainly be alot closer

[UGAdawg]

Originally Posted by maliak

Your argument is complete shit though.

You say, well there's blue server guilds that can't beat this content... not sure what the hell that means to be honest...


PERIOD.

Well, that was really inspiring. I'll spell this out for you.. Bluebie pve server HAVE access to all the classes. In tern, they also have CASUAL raid guilds, like DH, that raid 4 nights/week etc. Some of these guilds, have not cleared VP and might not even be past T2.

That's the most logical comparison to how much all the classes make a difference. They raid as much as the factioned guilds here, have all classes, and have not cleared the content.

We just happen to have ~30 people that will log in, on time, and stay at their computers for hours on end while trying to defeat some gay-internet dragon that keeps wiping the raid.

[Ossot]

My argument trumped everything you have to say.

Why would they go back to faction? To put up with a retarded ass chat channel? So an entire guild could once again grind all the raws & Master 1's? So they can lose some of their very strong players that refuse to become their counterpart class?

Stop fucking crying. Either onyx & kraken are bluebie faggots, who play 20 hours a day 7 days a week, or they're teh challenge because they have all the classes.

Originally Posted by Maliak

No faction guild will EVER compete with exile because no matter how hard you fuckers want to try to say it, it'll never be "straight across even."

Again, refer to my post. Havoc cleared labs & dt, a month before kraken, respectively? I honestly don't remember the time frame. That was the #1 and #2 guild. Kraken cleared VP roughly a month before Onyx? Wow, same time lapse. It's the guilds that are successful, not the few classes they have. Even if you calculate a whopping 25% of their success is SOLELY due to their extra classes, they're a lot further then 75% ahead of the #3 + guilds.


And as for the why did we betray. Don't forget Maliak, everytime Kraken has done something omgz, i've been around. Short of the trip to just exile. I reactivated before we betrayed. I reactivated before RoK. I stay in the loop. IIRC, we went to Qeynos to prove to the whiney bitches Qeynosians could do what we did.

Edit, and i saw you said I wasn't there for that gem. I remember the people that weren't invited crying to me about it in tells. I reactivated the day we exiled. I had known about it before 98% of the guild. I'm always in teh kraken loop.

And if you'd like to debate that point, talk to Radiant Legion, who I joined shortly there after. Or Zexii, who can testify I tag'd one of my alts to Kill Shot before I quit again. I was in qeynos not for the cool people, I was there because that's where my guild went..

[UGAdawg]

Originally Posted by Ashen

I can recall most of what your talking about and the fact that people in exile maybe quote 'bluebie faggots with no lives' or not doesn't mean they wouldn't be top raiding guilds in a faction or for that matter any less blubie (as a matter of Fact though when in a faction Onyx were a proper PvP guild). The Game back when your talking about was totally different but the facts are these, Having all classes makes a Difference even more of a difference to more casual raiding guilds, DH,Purity,Insurrection,Vigilante etc etc would be futher on the raiding progression than they are now if they had all the classes available - I'm not saying they would ever outstrip Onyx or Kraken but it would certainly be alot closer

Maybe what you guys should do is combine your guilds. That way, there's a factioned guild on both sides that can fill a x4 with competent players, that want to be there, instead of filling spaces with players that farm nodes in BS.

I've always thought the factions have enough quality players to do well in raiding. But, there are scattered amongst 5+ guilds in each faction.

[maliak]

that's a crazy edit... you skipped ALL THE CONTENT.

sorry I write so much, I do need to realize, yet again, half the people on this board are illiterate.

Your comparison to a blue server means nothing.. if there are blue server guilds with all classes that can't beat it, then that just reinforces my point that a factional guild is THAT much harder.

so what was your point again?

[Ashen]

Originally Posted by UGAdawg

Well, that was really inspiring. I'll spell this out for you.. Bluebie pve server HAVE access to all the classes. In tern, they also have CASUAL raid guilds, like DH, that raid 4 nights/week etc. Some of these guilds, have not cleared VP and might not even be past T2.

That's the most logical comparison to how much all the classes make a difference. They raid as much as the factioned guilds here, have all classes, and have not cleared the content.

We just happen to have ~30 people that will log in, on time, and stay at their computers for hours on end while trying to defeat some gay-internet dragon that keeps wiping the raid.

difference being DH have skilled players held back by mechanics these blubies could just be dogshit. Classes make a difference tbh or like Mal said Kraken would still be sat in FP being 'competetive'

[VirusX]

Originally Posted by Zexxii

oh, i dunno, there again, you are thinking SMALL

if you think about every interaction, whether it's virtual or not, it effects your opinion, in this case, american's vs euro's opinion of one another, more to the point, the youth of america being SO full of themselves they can't possibly think of other's first, me me me me! /tantrum, or is that just being a kid? let me go apologize to my mother just in case.



last time i checked, world relations and opinions of one another DO matter, and from what i've seen on these forums, and in some people's kids i know, (who are spoiled rotten beyond recognition as a human being, granted, i have met a few who are decent, kind human beings) we are in BIG trouble when the current teens and low twentys generation grows up and start to have influence on what is happening in OUR world we ALL live in, of course, i'm sure my parents said that too

This might be the largest run-on sentence i've ever seen. . . And there's even two of them in the same post! Seriously though, you have no right insulting anyone other than yourself. You talk about people's mothers, yet from what I can tell your mom failed miserably with you.

[Ossot]

thug life?

[maliak]

The implications are clear.

I'm being told, only reason Onyx and Kraken are good at raiding is because they have the best players and leadership...

I'm being told, that any factional guild can compete with Onyx and Kraken because it's not the classes it's the players... if they can't compete it's because they suck. Classes mean pretty much nothing.

oh and back to the point at hand... People here to PvP for the fights... and PvP rewards should be disadvantaged by the fact that they don't care to raid for crazy mythical weapons ... so that the thing they practice, and learn to do "PVP" is fucked by the fact that some raid guild can get gear that negates "SKILL"

I mean, that's what I'm being told... impressive argument. Too bad it's completely fucked.