Nagafen - Past to Present - Page 5789

AdaM pErSOn · 02-12-2008, 01:40 PM

Ashen once again you're full of shit. The whole Brigand thing may've held ground a year or two ago, but Swashbucklers are just fine in the debuff department.

VirusX · 02-12-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilgame

city faction guilds have all of the tools they need to kill anything an exile guild can kill, they just need to look harder to find them.

also, pvp gear is a slight benefit for city based guilds, is it a hugely dominant advantage? no, but it certainly balances out you missing 6 classes.

A few people having a piece or two of PvP gear doesn't equal having an illusionist, a templar, or whatever other class would give a huge situational advantage depending on the fight. Pretty retarded comment there. . .

Ashen · 02-12-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilgame

city faction guilds have all of the tools they need to kill anything an exile guild can kill, they just need to look harder to find them.

also, pvp gear is a slight benefit for city based guilds, is it a hugely dominant advantage? no, but it certainly balances out you missing 6 classes.

No it doesn't ,nothing ever will make up for SOME of the lost classes in exile and Sony design these mobs to be taken down using all resources in the game ,they pay fuck all attention to PvP servers hence they allowed exile to even exist to keep the blubies happy - if they meant it as a real FFA option they would just make a FFA server but I'm afraid at this late stage of the game thats not gonna happen. exile is a half arsed way to save sony the trouble of doing some serious development work or simply allowing all classes in both factions

Ashen · 02-12-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamPerson

Ashen once again you're full of shit. The whole Brigand thing may've held ground a year or two ago, but Swashbucklers are just fine in the debuff department.

Once again your full of shit .. nothing new there - can;t you get run over by a bus or something and save everyone the trouble of you existing? Brigs make a difference along with a few other classes .. some dont; make much difference ..for instance Rangers

AdaM pErSOn · 02-12-2008, 01:51 PM

Brigands are nice, but do not debilitate a raidforce.

The Arbour did just fine without brigands

UGAdawg · 02-12-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VirusX

We were lazy, and not particularly organized. Clearing content was still easiest for us in Exile.

It's just funny to see someone say that having every class in the game available isn't a big advantage. It wasn't an attack on Onyx.

That was just my point. It may be a bit easier, but it doesn't replace the fact that most, if not all of the factioned guilds are lazy in the raid department.

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Originally Posted by Ashen

seriously m8 .. it is alot harder in factions and the blubies failing has nothing to do with it(maybe because there shit and its not supposed to be easy). Try raiding t8 in a faction and you'll see how much more difficult it is.

If it's so much harder in T8 than it was in T7.. Why is T2 almost cleared (and this is with the changes) by a factioned guild? They didn't even try Overking until late for some odd reason even though they had gotten to him.

Before LU42, T3 was a joke (any guild could kill it) and most of VP is was the same way.

To make a long story short, there's no way that Kruhl can say that Eternal raids at the same caliber that Kraken does and the reason that they are failing is b/c they don't have all the classes.

Gilgame · 02-12-2008, 01:51 PM

well you can either spent time bitching about it on the forums or you can go and get shit done.

coercers add plenty of dps to a melee group as well as a good amount to the MT, is a illusionist absolutely required for raiding? no. they dont offer anything but more dps overall for more mages.

the 3 biggest classes you dont have on city are templar, which can be partially supplimented by an inquisitor.

swashbuckler with offensive debuffs and brigands which freeport has to increase overall dps.

the other classes?

paladin and SKs are easily replaced by a guardian or berserker,
conjurors and necros replaced by wizards and warlocks,

ect ect ect.

if you want something to bitch about, then be it that whatever guild you are in doesnt have a competant enough raidforce to get by without these classes, cuz onyx does all of the time.

if you still cant deal with it, drop all your overpowered pvp gear and come exile so you can get your mythical 2 months earlier, but i guarantee that even if you came exile with all 24 classes you still wouldent rip through content faster than you are, just cuz your guilds arent pve oriented and you dont know what your talking about.

Ratface · 02-12-2008, 01:55 PM

After reading Ashen's comments it seems to me that Purity has a lot of retards to get rid of (Ashen is the first choice, obviously) in order to raid successfully.

UGAdawg · 02-12-2008, 02:01 PM

What's funny is that for a long time Onyx rolling w/o an illusionist, necro, conj, mystic, ranger, etc.

I remember killing woushi and being happy if we had one type of summoner on the raid. Which, for the last few months of EOF we didn't have a single one in the raid. We lost our illusionist when we first killed Matron and didn't have one until Goyo and Beandip hit 70.

You don't have to have all these special classes.. However, it does make it a shade easier..But, it will NEVER make up for the lack of skill, focus, and determination that plagues the factioned guilds when it comes time to raid.

Ashen · 02-12-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAdawg

That was just my point. It may be a bit easier, but it doesn't replace the fact that most, if not all of the factioned guilds are lazy in the raid department.

If it's so much harder in T8 than it was in T7.. Why is T2 almost cleared (and this is with the changes) by a factioned guild? They didn't even try Overking until late for some odd reason even though they had gotten to him.

Before LU42, T3 was a joke (any guild could kill it) and most of VP is was the same way.

To make a long story short, there's no way that Kruhl can say that Eternal raids at the same caliber that Kraken does and the reason that they are failing is b/c they don't have all the classes.

thats prolly not true and Gilgame is prolly right on some of his points too when he says other guilds certainly don;t have the PvE Focus .. makes me laugh when I hear that though .. guild roll on Naggy with a PvE focus LO fucking L ..

thing is IF and IF city factions had all classes available you think Kraken would be exile? or Onyx for that matter? fuck no .. it does make life quite a bit easier and no amount of PvP gear will ever change that - I wouldn;t argue that Kraken especially and prolly Onyx would still be leading the way with 6 raids a week but others would get there alot quicker than they will now. It's quite possible no faction guild will clear VP until it gets nurfed. This is Sony's stupid fucking mess tbh