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Old 08-29-2008, 12:47 PM  
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i haven't found any 3^ yellows that my pet can even theoretically tank though even if aggro issues weren't a problem - can't keep up with 3k+ hits. they gotta be way undercon to hit for less. any examples, Enoa? best i've ever done was that 78 named on way to CoA in Sebilis at white con - he casts a lot, which made him possible with enough lucky rolls. took well over 10 tries.

edit - actually there is one lvl 85 2^ that comes to mind - the necro you duel for epic. he's not 3^, but theoretically aggro issues shouldn't depend on whether it's 3^ or 2^, just level. And I had no aggro issues on him at all - weird. But then again, he's a completely custom mob - lvl 73^^ in Karnor hit harder than he did, so may be they just reduced all his stats across the board.
Haven't had any luck with using tank pet vs. yellows. I think i got a trash mob in chelsith down to 60-70%ish with tank pet but it's just too hard to keep him up. I'll have to try that mob in Sebilis... i tried a couple names in there but the two i tried were immune to root so I just headed back to KC.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:29 PM  
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:29 AM  
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Damn nice Vaux. haven't tried that yet but will next time i'm bored
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Hehe- aggro issues....

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ya, soloing your choker is very doable. did mine with AD3 pet. just bring a gallon of patience
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Old 10-31-2008, 05:23 AM  
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Jeez, hows that even possible... lol. I'm not a bad necro or anything, but I guess I really don't push myself with how much I can do on my own. I saved up some gear over the years that have some detaunts crap on it, and even have my tank master. Would you mind giving me some insight on how you manage doing this?
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:07 AM  
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Not as if I ever soloed Terror *lol* but here are some things I do:

* Build a good spell rotation. A raid optimized rotation doesn't need to be the right one for soloing phat mobs. Try to build your hate gradually, starting out slow, and leave Lifetap for when the mob drops 10% ish. This should allow your pet to pull way ahead of you in hate terms, and lets you nuke more freely later in the encounter.
* Bats, keep em going. A mob with less defense is going to get hit more by the pet, and thus, he will build more hate.
* Cast pet into offensive stance and proceed to stun and then fear the mob. It's just a few seconds, but the pet will do a *lot* more damage, and thus rise his hate.
* When going into the fight, give the pet some seconds to build up aggro before you start casting anything that's going to build you a lot of hate.
* If you're anything like me, and hate dead times where you can't press any buttons, interleave power taps, or any other spell that won't build hate into your rotation.
* Try to spread manipulation spells out in the rotation, as they seem to build quite more hate than you might think. On medium to slightly-hard mobs, a manipulation spell every 2-3 damage/other spells seems to work fine for me.
* Use consumption early and often. If you can, use it while doing the dumb-offensive strat from above, as it will proc 3-4x as much.
* Love your dumbfires. They have their own hate list, as long as they live. Keeping Perceptos Command up for the right moment can prevent you from dying when the pets pop back into the void.
* If you're quick at it, try to build a pile of corpses nearby, and cast UH as soon as the pet holds firm aggro. Corpses, even if you don't loot them, will dissapear within a minute (aprox, haven't precisely timed it) or less, so be quick. You can also kill lower con mobs and pull the big guy to the right spot later.
* Try to use LB. This is rather complex, as a weak pet *won't* hold the mob on such a burst. Judge for your self.

This is just from the top of my head, I bet I missed something Even if some, if not most, of these things may seem silly, or may not seem to do anything at all, the sum of all the little details is what turns a loss into a gain.
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Sounds good, I'll give it a try sometime... now if I can ever find a spare moment while not being on my defiler... hehe.
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Not as if I ever soloed Terror *lol* but here are some things I do:

* Build a good spell rotation. A raid optimized rotation doesn't need to be the right one for soloing phat mobs. Try to build your hate gradually, starting out slow, and leave Lifetap for when the mob drops 10% ish. This should allow your pet to pull way ahead of you in hate terms, and lets you nuke more freely later in the encounter.
* Bats, keep em going. A mob with less defense is going to get hit more by the pet, and thus, he will build more hate.
* Cast pet into offensive stance and proceed to stun and then fear the mob. It's just a few seconds, but the pet will do a *lot* more damage, and thus rise his hate.
* When going into the fight, give the pet some seconds to build up aggro before you start casting anything that's going to build you a lot of hate.
* If you're anything like me, and hate dead times where you can't press any buttons, interleave power taps, or any other spell that won't build hate into your rotation.
* Try to spread manipulation spells out in the rotation, as they seem to build quite more hate than you might think. On medium to slightly-hard mobs, a manipulation spell every 2-3 damage/other spells seems to work fine for me.
* Use consumption early and often. If you can, use it while doing the dumb-offensive strat from above, as it will proc 3-4x as much.
* Love your dumbfires. They have their own hate list, as long as they live. Keeping Perceptos Command up for the right moment can prevent you from dying when the pets pop back into the void.
* If you're quick at it, try to build a pile of corpses nearby, and cast UH as soon as the pet holds firm aggro. Corpses, even if you don't loot them, will dissapear within a minute (aprox, haven't precisely timed it) or less, so be quick. You can also kill lower con mobs and pull the big guy to the right spot later.
* Try to use LB. This is rather complex, as a weak pet *won't* hold the mob on such a burst. Judge for your self.

This is just from the top of my head, I bet I missed something Even if some, if not most, of these things may seem silly, or may not seem to do anything at all, the sum of all the little details is what turns a loss into a gain.
Using this strat against terror will be the quickest way to die imo. Kill the two adds (spam manipulations spells to keep pet up). Once terror is alone spam the 3 manipulations spells that work on epic. learn what the stun and fear debuffs look like on pet and cure them ASAP. Gluttony and shockwave work well. Bring a coffee and some regen potions. Didn't actually beat him till I started using the deagro food. took 27 min i think first time. have it down to 22 min now i think. The stilfe/stun/fear immunity for pet from aa might be useful here since the pet will be oop for about 75% of fight anyways and will just be autoattacking. it's not necessary if you cure quickly.

Only mob I ever LB is that eyeball in the water in KC.. but that is a bit of a sploit >< I usually avoid swarm pets unless i got a charmed pet up that holds agro better than tank pet. I hate the agro shifts when they die.

For everything else my spell rotation basically revolves around procing concussive blast/ tribunal cloak. I dont care about my dps tbh unless i'm self tanking the mobs (which i dont do often as i only have access to 4/7 dispersion peices ) Too bad concussive blast wouldn't work against terror. would make the fight alot easier.

I never fear unless i'm in an open land zone and usually cancel the root before it breaks and fears. Feared mobs in KC ftl.


On another note... i can get my Subj to 533 (464 wihtout claymore proc) and I'm still haveing problems with charmed pets >level 76. this annoys me.
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I'd love to be able to solo something like that.

Which M1 do you think would help more to start with, M1 Tank pet, or M1 pet defense buff?

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