Full T2 shard set better than VP set? - Page 2

twisty · 01-14-2009, 04:01 PM

Carthington, you're right there is no 4pc t2 - i was thinking of 3pc bonus as 4pc.

This is a dps discussion, so let's not factor in survivability as it doesn't apply until some time deep into TSO raiding.

Sabutai · 01-14-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twisty

I took you for a more technical argument preseneter, Sabutai.

How does 65dmg increase on spell, cast 15x / min become "3-4k"? What makes you say this? I'ts 1k base. Let's take some +base increases, crits and mitigation debuffs - may be double it - 2k.

This makes no sense. Coil 240-300dmg / min. Again, let's double it. 600dmg/min. The fact that it boosts base makes no difference - you need around 1500 BoE to even touch lower end of Coil. Yes health for Lifeburn... ok nice. Not really apples to apples comparison 'cause LB utility is very limited often, but let's say +5k dmg every 5mins, 1k/min.
The dps from pants is absolutely not a "push" - it's a ~5k dmg / min landslide in favor of t2 pants (3200 + 3600 from factor in the crits for about 1% dps). Even with 2k 2pc VP bonus subtracted, it's still ahead by a lot.

This also doesn't make too much sense. It's actually a lot more like 80-100dps. 50dps would mean 3000dmg and that's lower 1 avg crit from it. It does proc consistently with listed frequency. But even at 3000dmg / min, it's still an extra 3000dmg / min that VP set pants have no answer for.

There are 2 components to rot. 1 is the DD think when I looked the other day it was about 925 or so top end at M1. Then theres the 4 ticks of about 250ish, can't recall the exact numbers. The bonus effects both on the first tick, ie the DD and the dot component and then the dot component the other 3 ticks. So in essence that 65 bonus is raising each cast of Rot by about 250-275 times 15 = ?

I've seen the t2 robe proc, don't have it quite yet and about 70 dps is where it sits, which is about the increase you'll probably get from coil, you may not spam cast it but most roll the higher DD into some sort of constant rotation.

Besides the forearms what other VP pieces would you wear to get that 2 set bonus, and I still do believe its much better than you'll get from the 5 pc legendary.

Now on the other hand, you can also argue that the dark mail gauntlets and the set gaunts could be a push for dps too, and then you could get your 5 pc while still wearing the pants and forearms from VP.

Carthington · 01-15-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twisty

Carthington, you're right there is no 4pc t2 - i was thinking of 3pc bonus as 4pc.

This is a dps discussion, so let's not factor in survivability as it doesn't apply until some time deep into TSO raiding.

Actually, if you don't survive the fight your dps = 0.

But the purpose of the thread is about what set pieces the person needs to get from VP still, and my presentation fits in to what the individual was asking.

Now, just to make just a slight correction on Sabutai, the robe procs more than the 5 set piece bonus of the legendary set by itself. But to sort of back up his post, it would be beneficial to go with hat, robe, and mantle and maybe the boots depending how much crit or pet bonuses you want/need, and then wear the forearms and pants for more coil and rot effect... me personally I would stick with TSO boots and give more to my pet...

twisty · 01-17-2009, 05:40 AM

holy crap, you're right, Sabutai. wow what a shitty description of 2pc bonus then - it never even occured to me that'd be the case. there isn't really much room for ambiguity in "Increases dmg of Soulrot by 65". 2pc actually seems to raise my total Rot dmg by about 400 with the increase in BoE cap. it does something weird with BoE calculation too it seems - my lower end tick is now 301 and yet lower end BoE is listed as 1147. at 5 ticks and BoE cap being half, it would seem lower BoE should be 301 + 301*5/2 = 1054. any ideas ?

now then... perhaps the Coil on VP pants is also 120dmg per TICK and not total? can someone please take a before and after screenshot of their Coil when you put on VP pants?

Sabutai · 01-17-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by twisty

holy crap, you're right, Sabutai. wow what a shitty description of 2pc bonus then - it never even occured to me that'd be the case. there isn't really much room for ambiguity in "Increases dmg of Soulrot by 65". 2pc actually seems to raise my total Rot dmg by about 400 with the increase in BoE cap. it does something weird with BoE calculation too it seems - my lower end tick is now 301 and yet lower end BoE is listed as 1147. at 5 ticks and BoE cap being half, it would seem lower BoE should be 301 + 301*5/2 = 1054. any ideas ?

now then... perhaps the Coil on VP pants is also 120dmg per TICK and not total? can someone please take a before and after screenshot of their Coil when you put on VP pants?

yes that's how that and the robe work too. So the coil is adding roughly 1200 to your coil cast without refreshing it, not including what the mythical does to it. soulrot one will be much different in +spell because the effect raises the base first then apploes the spell mod.

twisty · 01-17-2009, 05:22 PM

Sabutai, i don't think i understand your thinking or may be you didn't understand my question...

with 2pc equiped, Rot tooltip says 1147-X, and 301-Y every .3secs. What X & Y are not important. BoE is calculated as 50% of dmg. dmg with 0 BoE on lower end is 5*301 = 1505. half is 753. Then lower end of 1st tick of Rot should be 301+753 = 1054. yet it's listed as 1147.

Sabutai · 01-17-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by twisty

Sabutai, i don't think i understand your thinking or may be you didn't understand my question...

with 2pc equiped, Rot tooltip says 1147-X, and 301-Y every .3secs. What X & Y are not important. BoE is calculated as 50% of dmg. dmg with 0 BoE on lower end is 5*301 = 1505. half is 753. Then lower end of 1st tick of Rot should be 301+753 = 1054. yet it's listed as 1147.

you got me on that one, I do believe the first tick was calculated differently if I remember correctly tho.

SirAmoel · 01-19-2009, 06:01 AM

What about Base Damage? Wasn't it meant to rise the BoE cap?

twisty · 01-19-2009, 02:34 PM

301 includes base

SirAmoel · 01-22-2009, 08:32 AM

Well, now that they have fixed the T2 robe, what about it? It did 30% of my damage (whoa...) before the fix, hardly 2% now.