Rocksie

Edit: Removed all this crap because I had a bad day, and was pissed off because I thought yummy was attacking my attempt at helpfulness for no apparent reason.

If you want to see my Rage Hate Sarcasm comments, I'm sure they're still quoted in places... I still stand by what I said at the time, just with better vocabulary.

Texas

And that, there, my freinds, is what you call a WTF pwn. Thank you Rock.

Rocksie

He's a my current ..Raiding... aa set up. I maybe ditching my solo spec for a bloodpact spec. If anyone has any suggestions for maximizing dps, I'm completely open to them and would love to hear them, as long as you can back it up with a parse or logical reasoning.

twisty

On the Necro page - you should move 3 pts to Rats from the thing directly to left of it. Rats are actually pretty good dps on some mobs, the Ghastly dude is not.

You have to spend way too many useless pts to get Tainted Heals, and TH itself is not useful. You'd be much better served by picking up 50% rez, max Filter Life for those times when a few healers are getting rezed and Bloodpact for those few rare cases you'd even consider using Tainted Heals to begin with.

Rocksie

I was under the impression ghastly stench did more dps in most cases than the imps... I'll have to actually test this out again I suppose.

The reason the tainted heals section looks so sporatic is because I was specing for gluttony and again the nox debuff... after that I figured I'd just throw points into the debuffs because to be honest, I never really transfer life, and we don't really have to many power issues on raids unless there's actually a drain. So all and all the hearts and transfers seemed pretty useless to me. But like I said, a bloodpact spec would be nice to try out.

Time to hit up the aa lady

Yummy

Casting speed/reuse are godly, but other lines have valuable choices. However, nothing else in the int line is at all usefull, making it an expensive choice.
If you bothered to possess minion your mythical to realize it was of master IV quality, why didn't you bother examining its spells to see they're all 0s recovery? 12.5% faster than 0 is zomg huge!

One AA point when I the rest of the line is filled up anyways? Yes, that's basically free. And it has made a difference on nights that were missing a dirge and our healers were too busy adjusting their sybian.
I do run a parse, and when the tank dies and I take a look and see the mob double attacking him, I realize - wow, my ooze crawler is one of the few things in the game that lowers the chance of that happening.
And luckely I have Bloodpacts to keep it up when someone looks at it funny and would otherwise die.
Raiding isn't all about DPS, but I'll let you have that arguement with Nexeona.
Start raiding some TSO content, and you'll never question something like a summoner putting 5 points into enhacing arcane cure. There is some utility far more valuable than pure DPS for raiding, even if we're a selfish class and it mostly only helps our own survivability.

You're not a DPS class if you're dead.

Sure, you could stop DPSing and cure your pet, and cure yourself. Or could cure yourself and keep on rocking the damage output.
But I guess you like to stop DPSing, so go ahead and cancel your debuffs and recast them to heal your pet.

Actually, I was saying that the 2.5% health and 2.5% power you get from the general shadow line are utterly worthless. It's not going to stop you from getting one-shotted, you shouldn't be running out of power, and focusing on hitpoints for lifeburn at most, will add 30dps to your zone wide (unless your tank has a 2 minute countdown for pulls), which isn't much when you're parsing over 10K.

What difference is magi's shielding or group nox buffs going to make in a raid? zero. Especially since you claim to have healers that don't suck and you can focus on DPS only, hipocrite.
Root is not there for raiding, but all the important raiding stuff in those trees are covered. That's for solo DPS. root+lich = dead orange/red con name (WW/SW discos ftw), without tainted heals.

Theres a maximum to how much you can debuff a mob - which should easily be handled by classes who are supposed to be filling that role if you're raiding. Nox debuffs are otherwise usefull if you're soloing or in some horribly unoptimal group.

I don't know where you got the idea I thought brigs were the only class that debuffs, far from it. Summoners and sorcerers on the otherhand, have utterly useless debuffs.
But maybe your healers are so busy curing your pet, and your dirges healing (since the healers are so busy), that they can't be bothered to debuff - glad you have ones that don't suck.

On fights where living isn't in question and it's all about damage output; where the mob happens to have a lore and legend for it and the fight is long enough for reuse on master strike to matter, sure. But those long tank-and-spank fights aren't what seperate the bigboys from the scrubs. Go ahead, get that extra DPS and shave 2 seconds off a trash name. Make sure everyone else in your raid specs for DPS too, no dance of blades or tortoise shell please! TSO content should still be there for you when you're level 90.
Meanwhile, I'll top the parses on fights, because I live through it.
What my spec loses in direct damage, it makes up for in survivability, and (self) utility, while realizing summoner debuffs don't make a lick of difference on raids (especially if you're constantly canceling and refreshing them). I'll gladly run away and FD so we can pull again sooner.
I lose very little by chosing not to have to respec twice a day. But I will make a special trip to my house this month just for you, which I ordinarily never have to do (see image below).

Because magic leash is so much more useful than shadowstep as a forced tree progression AA. Thanks for clearing that up.

I seem to be missing my summon other players that don't suck, is that a tinkered item or LON card?
I'll have to get my guild to keep a cleric and shaman in my group instead of a druid. Fuck the main tank.. they need to be keeping me up and curing my pet, screw debuffing - that just makes the game easy.

Glad you understand how the game works, it makes your opinion so much more valuable.




Some AA choices are a tradeoff, you can go full damage, you can do full solo, or you can find a happy medium.
You and your pet living, is far more DPS in some cases.
If you agree with that, and don't like my spec - feel free to donate healers. But's it's 'gross' for raiding by any means.

Yummy

Perhaps if the summoner is in crap gear, has mild retardation, and is not buffed properly would a pet do 35% of thier damage.

Yummy

Luckely for him, someone supports his ideas of raiding with tainted heals and dumbfires. Way to suck at your class.

Sciomar

For anyone to take either of you seriously is a detriment to themselves.

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twisty

now you're just digging your own grave, yummy. let me school you.

epic pet does 3-3.5k dps in normal group.

3500 - 35%
X - 100%

X = 10,000. looks like dps of a summoner in a fairly good gear who knows how to play. could that be me?

just slowly crawl away at this point, man. more you say worse it becomes.

imps are actually a good choice in a rotation in place of Pandemic if AEs are on a predictable timer and longer than 15secs apart.

i'll repeat: stop being a scrub. your attitude of "none of this makes any difference" sends a bad message.