Originally Posted by Yummy

It's very rare I lose a ZW, and that's usually in unideal groups (no ice lash or peace of mind, etc). Nor do I lose to warlocks on AE encounters (though often to swashies on multiple unlinked encounters). Any advantage wizards had in EoF and RoK was due to the retarded belief that summoners weren't DPS resulting in illusionists putting time compression on other people, even though that myth is obviously still widely believed, if you find a troubador with a clue, upbeat tempo will again put summoners back at the top in a normal raid (a good coercer purely DPSing and getting a troub would likely rape me, but lucky for me the're normally relagated to the MT group and are often busy with other tasks like mana flow). But maybe I'm just blessed, and two mythicaled troubs isn't standard for guilds, and spam casters are getting not love from an abundance of procs. Maybe not though, as I smoke SKs and swashies in Kurn's tower having a dirge instead of a troub and no other mages for PoM or frigid gift nor and inquisitor with FD. It's actually other classes that have 0 group/raid utility like rangers that compete with capable summoners the most on ZW and named parses.

Summoners, being of no real use to groups in any other way, were balanced by being capable of T1 DPS, and have been since the start. One just needs a hell of a lot of support to obtain that (bolster, ritual, UT, sinergism, PoM, PoTM, FD, etc etc). Unfortunately we have new devs that like to turn things on thier heads for how they believe things should work, as well as many other morons feeding them ideas. With any luck though, 99% of you suck (or are around people who suck and don't buff you appropriately because they have some ill conceived notion that summoners are worthless) and are bringing down global parse averages; and aeralik might not give us shit for a spell crit multiplier.

Originally Posted by Hazazal

we do a random for it but the illy hax the grp is usualy conj,nec,illy,sorc,fury,then some random scout or 2nd sorc.