Taking down SKs - Page 3

Going · 12-02-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by s3id0n

Full set + 10% from stat = 90 crit mit.
Full pvp set + 10% = 80% crit mit + -20% crit damage effect (which actually doesnt count towards the critmit, but instead properly reduces incoming damage)

Maybe that's true on Nagafen, there are over 25-30 ppl in Q on HD who crit against my full set (those ppl are mostly sorcs though). It's just a matter of gear. But with the current bugged state of critmit it's annoying to get 12-15k BoI crits due to no damage reduction..

Are you talking about PvE server duels? I haven't been to pve since nagafen went live~ but I think the duel ruleset and PvP rules are different. I never get hit for crit dammage on my necro, sk or defiler~ all are in full pvp gear. I don't even care about my spell/mellee crit so much in pvp spec because I know most people have 100% mit and those that don't will die because they are in shit gear anyway.

Edit to clarify crit hits

aeeron · 12-03-2009, 12:43 AM

Meh I can kill plenty of sks on my necromancer with full pvp gear+mythical+najenas ring. Actually had a set up 1v1 with one in freeport recently on my qeynos necro and took him down 3 out of 5 times and killed a few random ones in kp when i lured them the other day..

Takes more luck then anything, if they dont reflect a bunch of shit its easy mode if the sk isn't actually good (with the number of sk's on nagafen theres about 1 good sk for every 10 i see )

usually i just hit them with bloodcoil, stun, lifeburn, run in circles.. with najenas ring my bloodcoil first tick hits for usual 2k non crit which hels a LOT. Fear is usually unreliable on full pvp geared targets but stun is reliable from what I experienced..

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/l...lls&classId=30

watch http://www.wipido.com/video/bTqETq5AgGJP
and dorsans pvp video as well for some more shit

kukiake · 12-03-2009, 02:52 AM

I can't land a stun to save my life...

s3id0n · 12-03-2009, 07:21 AM

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Are you talking about PvE server duels? I haven't been to pve since nagafen went live~ but I think the duel ruleset and PvP rules are different.

What led you to this conclusion?

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I never get hit for crit dammage on my necro, sk or defiler~ all are in full pvp gear.

Because that doesnt matter a shit, it's the crit modifier that makes you crit, not gear, class, group setup or you position against the opponent. Once you have 1.91 crit modifier on your spells you will start critting against full sets on all your characters. Bad news are, unless you are an assasin/sorcerer (or at least some other mage class), it's almost impossible to acquire that high of a crit bonus.

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(with the number of sk's on nagafen theres about 1 good sk for every 10 i see )

There are around 2 good sks on the whole harla dar server, so you are unlucky to get that many on nagafen (

aeeron · 12-03-2009, 01:39 PM

My swash can still crit on a few spells against full crit mit, some of the stuff like auto attack barely though.

yeah dorsan i usually use stun cloak/fear cloak to back up my chances of keeping the person locked down.. sometimes it overlaps immunity but sometimes its a lifesaver.

lol and i just watched dorsans video again, funny how bad that inquis in onyx was... you totally hit him with like two spells and he wasted his mythical cure then you just lifeburned him down.. so perfect necro style :D

Going · 12-03-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by s3id0n

What led you to this conclusion?

I thought you said duel somewhere~ I'll look it up.

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Originally Posted by s3id0n

Because that doesnt matter a shit, it's the crit modifier that makes you crit, not gear, class, group setup or you position against the opponent. Once you have 1.91 crit modifier on your spells you will start critting against full sets on all your characters. Bad news are, unless you are an assasin/sorcerer (or at least some other mage class), it's almost impossible to acquire that high of a crit bonus.

Yeah, I get that but what I am saying is no one crits against me. I just don't think most of the scrubs pvping on Nagafen at TG have anywhere near that crit modifier.

Note I said "think" and "most", because I am pointing out it's what I have seen, not the precise truth of all possible scenarios, just the ones I have experienced.

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Originally Posted by s3id0n

There are around 2 good sks on the whole harla dar server, so you are unlucky to get that many on nagafen (

I wish there were only 2 good SKs on Nagafen but the server is over run with them. I can usually burn most everything else down if i get the jump but SKs are just a pain in the ass once they get geared up and have decent AA. With reflect and root immunity they take away my best tricks for survivability.

Going · 12-03-2009, 09:51 PM

s3id0n

I couldn't find anything you said about a duel~ my mistake.

Edit to remove the junk html that came when I coppied and pasted forum name.

s3id0n · 12-04-2009, 10:17 AM

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My swash can still crit on a few spells against full crit mit, some of the stuff like auto attack barely though.

wtb some tso aas with +25 crit bonus or something.

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I thought you said duel somewhere~ I'll look it up.

Sometimes I might say something about a 'duel', most of the time meaning just 1v1 pvp when neither of the opponents got the jump on the other, because that is very little different from an actual duel, really. However presettled duels are not uncommon on HD since most of good players usually pvp in full grps due to enormous amounts of zerg running around.

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I just don't think most of the scrubs pvping on Nagafen at TG have anywhere near that crit modifier.

Perhaps that's the case, I just got used to be critted by most of good pvp sorcs, because with like 10+ guilds killing Ykesha on the server you are going to see a lot of well-geared ppl running around.

Milambers · 12-04-2009, 06:15 PM

Some of you guys are missing the point. Yes, Necromancers can put out some high dps with good gear (6 set +) and played by a skilled person in Group PvP. But put that person behind a Sorcerer with the same level of gear and skill, and they'll easily beat the necro parse. Its down to a few things, aoes, crit mod etc.

It's not even really a point to discuss, it's just a fact.

kukiake · 12-06-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Milambers

Some of you guys are missing the point. Yes, Necromancers can put out some high dps with good gear (6 set +) and played by a skilled person in Group PvP. But put that person behind a Sorcerer with the same level of gear and skill, and they'll easily beat the necro parse. Its down to a few things, aoes, crit mod etc.

It's not even really a point to discuss, it's just a fact.

If that is true then ALL sorcerers on Nagafen are complete noobs. Because apart from a warlock from time to time (and by "a warlock" I mean 1 warlock I know), I just don't see any sorcerers outparsing necros in 5+ minutes fights.

But I don't think you are right. Not at all. In PvE necros win parses on heroic encounters. They win parses on x2 encounters and they win parses on x4 encounters. I do not understand why you assume it is any different in PvP.