Should Alt Guild's be listed on the "Whose Killed What Thread?"

[DarkAngel]

I can't say that I am affected by this either way, but having your alt guild as second on some forum as to what you have killed is null and void due to the fact that, your alts didn't go through the progression like your main guild did.

As said here already, it was your mains who geared the alts, and being that it is in fact the same exact people, well its a no brainer, you know the mobs, the strats etc, so it would be natural for your alt guild to be able to do the same as your main. It is not, in any way shape or form, an accomplishment for your alts. But if you need an ego boost have at it. It is well know that no one on nek really cares what you or your alt guild does. That wouldn't be the case if you actually showed the people on the server a little decency, even in its smallest measurement.

I am not even trying to take away from anyone, disso or anyone else, the fact that they do an awesome job at making leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else is cool. But to be an ass about it, well it just lame. It's called poor sportsmanship. Sore winners. Enjoy what you accomplish and let others enjoy theirs.

[Ishbu]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

As said here already, it was your mains who geared the alts, and being that it is in fact the same exact people, well its a no brainer, you know the mobs, the strats etc, so it would be natural for your alt guild to be able to do the same as your main. It is not, in any way shape or form, an accomplishment for your alts. But if you need an ego boost have at it. It is well know that no one on nek really cares what you or your alt guild does. That wouldn't be the case if you actually showed the people on the server a little decency, even in its smallest measurement.

Why does where the loot the alts got from matter at all? If thats the case then I guess no guild should be on there because I bet every single one of them has a member that got a piece of gear from a different guild.

Hell, what about all the people who have bought items that we sell, does Dissolution get credit for all their kills instead of them?

Alts are characters people had to level up just like their mains. They are characters wich do not have immediate access to the good gear because anything good goes to a main. Alts have it worse than a main in every way. If the alts are able to kill something, that is a guild that was able to kill it.

Alt guilds are guilds just the same and are actually at a disadvantage, they should be included.


And to LFG you have serious issues. Itoock didnt insult anyone, pick on anyone, or attack anyone. He simply said that he wonders how many people dont want to be third to an alt guild, he didnt accuse anyone of it or even say that is definitely one person. You jumping on him in something that DOES NOT CONCERN YOU in the slightest is showing a lack of basic human respect to him. How about you let him enjoy the game and the message boards instead of critizing him for asking a question that was on his mind. You should really just read your reply and apply it to yourself.

[LFG]

Originally Posted by Ishbu

And to LFG you have serious issues.

Hahahahaha. Ishbu said I have serious issues.

I was just throwing in my two cents to support people I think you are bullying and trying to keep down based on continued badgering that they suck.

Not a one of them is trying to claim that they are better than you or your guild in any way. Why not just let them have some pride and only claim what you've rightfully earned, which is the server first to everything on the server, and many mobs WW? Why isn't that good enough for you?

And since you want to defend this malarky, let's use the truth. How many of these mobs that you are claiming seconds on have you actually, really and truly, killed 100% with Leet Sauce, and no Disso toons?

And even if it is true that you have in fact killed a mob or two using exclusively Leet Sauce toons, why is it so important to you to brag about that by insisting on getting #2 placement on this guy's "Who's Killed What List"?

I think it's petty and small of you if you want my opinion. I think you should be a bigger person in this situation and just take what is yours, the world wide and server firsts, and not be so abusive to other players who merely want to coexist on the same server as you and have a little fun and pride also.

One thing is true now - NPU formerly held the record of most other guilds chased off the server, but that was an old record, and was based on people from the distant past, most of whom no longer play. Note in the recent server transfers, no guilds (to the best of my knowledge) left Guk, yet how many left Nek?

Now, Disso is WW1st for most guilds chased off their server. Are you really proud of that?

[Ishbu]

See issues, exactly like I said.

Itoock said, "I wonder how many people voted no because they dont want to be third behind an alt guild."

How is that bullying? Its not at all. That is all he said and you got all butthurt about it.

You dont want guilds that kill stuff on this list, fine, delete the lists. If Leet Sauce kills something, thats a guild and should go on the list as long as it exsists. The whole point of a who killed what list is to brag. So if people want to have stupid lists used to brag about what your characters can do, then yeah, Im going to use to brag. Get a clue.

Am I proud of running off all kinds of raid guilds? Hell yes. The truth is they left the server to get a better chance and become a better raid guild. The excuse is we were ruining the game for them. Its a bullshit excuse and nothign more. Hell, TDS openly admits they wanted to go a server without a dominant guild, I dont know if Cataclsym does too but I know I have recieved tells laughing that people think I or Dissolution being jerks had anything to do with why they left.

I know why this bothers you though LFG, its pretty obvious but this is supposed to be a thread about should alts guilds be listed on the lists or not. Its not the thread where LFG makes up non exsistant bullying stories or why <insert guild here> sucks.

Oh and one last thing, I guess Dissolution needs to be removed from that list. We have used alts from Leet Sauce, Numa Numa, and even had unguilded people who were apping to us help on our kills so none of them count because they werent 100% dissolution members. So either add alt guilds or remove Disso because lets not make special rules that allow some guilds on the list and leave others off.

[LFG]

Ish, why not just drop these word games. Leet Sauce is not a guild capable of killing much with just it's own toons. Out of 18 level 70s, two of those are yours, and I assume you wouldn't try and take down a x4 boxing your defiler and swash at the same time, so really, you have less than 18 that can be simultaneously played.

Disso members have 3 different alt guilds. After you get Leet Sauce listed, what's next? Are you going to demand that Ye Drunken Horde is listed as guild #3 for server 3rds, and Numa Numa is going to be listed as guild #4? When will these nonsense requests stop?

The fact is, sure you can have one or more toons from each of those various alt guilds in a raid where Disso kills a raid mob. But is logical idiocy to suggest that any of those guilds other than Disso were really responsible for the kill.

God man, just stop trying to ruin everyone's fun, this is getting rather stupid, don't you think? There is no challenge to Dissolution's uberness on Nektulos. Why continue on with this?

[Blanka]

LFG getting too worked up over this. I said no cause Disso alt guilds would be like 123 on the server thats just boring. But if they managed to own shit with all just Leet Sauce that would be a pretty crazy accomplishment. Ya all their gear came from disso but it would mean they have pretty much doubled up on everything which is just crazy.

[Claria]

I think its alright to list an alt guild on the who's killed what list, but only if its really the alt guild's raid. For example, Disso killing something with a few alts, is still a Disso raid, and if you want to count the guilds separately on the list.... the few members of the alt guilds, just were a part of a Disso raid. If you want to count every guild thats ever had a member kill anything, eveyrone would have their alt guilds listed, as well as some noob guilds who may have had a member apping to a guild who doesnt require apps to be untagged.

If an alt guild were to do something that comprised mostly of members of the alt guild, then there should be no reason they would not get credit for doing something, but having just a member or 2 doesnt mean that guild actually did anything.

[LFG]

Originally Posted by Claria

I think its alright to list an alt guild on the who's killed what list, but only if its really the alt guild's raid. For example, Disso killing something with a few alts, is still a Disso raid, and if you want to count the guilds separately on the list.... the few members of the alt guilds, just were a part of a Disso raid. If you want to count every guild thats ever had a member kill anything, eveyrone would have their alt guilds listed, as well as some noob guilds who may have had a member apping to a guild who doesnt require apps to be untagged.

If an alt guild were to do something that comprised mostly of members of the alt guild, then there should be no reason they would not get credit for doing something, but having just a member or 2 doesnt mean that guild actually did anything.

I'm not suggesting that 100 percent of those who kill a mob must be in the named guild for that guild to properly receive credit for beating an encounter.

Almost every raid includes a few apps, many include a few alts. Thats understandable, and expected.

What I'm saying is that for an encounter to count as being beaten by a particular guild, it should include at least 75%, hell, maybe as few as HALF, of the characters of that guild in the raid.

And what I'm also saying is, I do not believe that Leet Sauce has ever defeated a EoF or KoS epic x4 raid mob (cubes in bonemire excluded) when 75% or even 50% of the raid were guilded Leet Sauce toons.

If I'm wrong, please post the raids, dates, and toons where Leet Sauce beat certain mobs using 75%, or >= 50% toons that were then guilded in Leet Sauce to beat the encounters.

Do that, and I'll shut up about this. Thing is, I don't think you can. You can't claim a Leet Sauce Raid took down Princes or MO when less than half the raid was Leet Sauce toons and the rest was Disso or other guilded toons. That would be a pickup raid, and I don't see pickup raids listed in the Who Killed What Listing either.

[Cafeejid]

If alt guilds should be listed, then any guild that has a member who has participated in killing these mobs should be listed.

[Kisy]

Originally Posted by LFG

You guys are like 30,000,000 miles ahead of the rest of the server in terms of gear and accomplishments. You know that, I know that, and everyone else on the server and world wide knows that.

So since everyone knows that, why do you feel the need to rub their noses in it that your alts > their mains?

Of course your alts are going to be > their mains. Your alts are decked in loot from mobs that were killed by Disso.

Why not just let everyone else try and retain a small amount personal dignity and self-respect, and have fun competing in EQ2 in the same way you like to compete.

None of these people from other guilds are claiming they are better than Disso. None makes any arguments that they can possibly approach your guild in terms of skill, gear, experience, or ability. If they were talking smack like that, I'd say go to town, rip them to shreds, pull an Envy or Myrmiddons on them.

But it is unnecessarily cruel, cold blooded, and downright uncool to taunt and humiliate people in this way. The other guilds on Nek aren't trying to say they are equally good at raiding as Disso. They appear to only want to work out between them who is the second and third best guild on this server. They aren't making any challenge to your accomplishments of any kind.

Good God man, let other people have fun in game and on the boards too, when they aren't trying to be disrespectful to you in any way. You can continue to dominate without trying to keep people down through hate and intimidation.

All I'm suggesting is, show some basic human respect and dignity to others who are showing it to you. If you can't do that, then think about how much Nek would suck with only 30 players left on it.

This is EXACLTY why I voted no. It is mainly still Disso. Yea I saw the argument that there are others in LS that can't stick to your raid schedule. HOWEVER, your alts are gonna be geared by the actions of Disso - who does't have thier main equip an alt? Just the way it is.

Disso is the #1 raiding guild on the server - no one is gonna even attempt to debate that. I think the Whose Killed What Thread is a chance for others to say hey! Disso isn't the ONLY raiding guild who is successful on the Nek server. They may not be at the same calibur ( spelling ) but we can kill shit on this server to, and DAMN IT WE ARE PROUD!