Should Alt Guild's be listed on the "Whose Killed What Thread?"

[Letum]

yes

[LFG]

Originally Posted by Ishbu

Why does this bother you so much LFG? You were always Mr I love my alt. Im begining to think your just kind of jealous at what our alts can actually accomplish. And shit, you need to do more homework on what alts are where before posting about it like your some authority with a clue. I have a 70 templar, dirge, bruiser, defiler, conjuror, guardian, swashbuckler, and ranger. I can box half an MT group at any time I want.

Ish, you are the one wanting to claim credit for what your alt "guild" has done. A guild is a group of players sharing the same guild tag.

Now, I agree that a valid claim that a guild beat a mob doesn't mean you need 24 toons sharing the exact same guild tag to make that claim. In my view, someone should decide "what is a guild". I would suggest that it is appropriate to claim a "guild" killed a mob if at least 50 or 75 percent (you all choose which, but at least a majority of characters) of the toons in the raid were in a particular guild. If you can't even get a majority of toons for over half the raid, I don't think you can claim guild credit for that kill - I think that's a pickup raid instead.

I reject the notion that toons in Numa Numa and Ye Drunken Hoard are also in your "alt guild". Your alt guild is Leet Sauce. You can't combine up four guilds and then claim that you you killed a mob with Leet Sauce, unless at least the majority of the characters that killed that mob were in Leet Sauce.

And revealing that you have 5 level 70 alts in Leet Sauce yourself actually hurts your case, since Leet Sauce only has 18 level 70 toons the last time I checked. I don't believe you personally could play a full group of toons at the same time in a manner that would succeed in defeating a EoF x4 raid mob.

If I'm wrong, please post the dates, encounters, and guild makeup of the toons you used to get the server 2nds you claim for the various encounters.

My opinion remains that you are being small and petty by insisting on this and carrying it forward. You have all the firsts on the server, I think it is gay as hell for you to try and claim the seconds also, it's something I'd expect of a third grader.

And why do I care, what business is this of mine you keep asking? Well, if I see someone beating a puppy or harming a child, one could also ask, what business is it of mine, since that is not my puppy or child. In my opinion, giving assistance to others being wrongfully abused is not only my business, it's my duty and obligation. It's what I enjoy doing on Internet forums especially, since that's what forums like this are for.

[Ishbu]

Read again LFG, I never said all my characters are in leet sauce, because they are not.

And I am sorry your so hurt over this but Numa Numa is our alt guild as well, so is Ye Drunken Horde. Why does that bother you so much? Just because a majority of the alts come from Leet Sauce doesnt make those any less of our alt guild. They just get lumped in with leet sauce on the listing because as stated, a majority of the alts were from leet sauce and not the other two guilds.

So are we going to actually have a sever what guild has killed what thread or is it just going to be a thread where some random guy only puts his friends and guilds he likes on a list in what order he wants to make himself feel good?

If its the latter wich I suspect it is, you should feel shame for giving special edit rights to people who are blatantly discriminating against other guilds and actually encouraging them NOT to post here since they refuse to add those guilds to the list despite their accomplishments.

And get a clue seriously, nobody is beating on anyone or ripping on anyone. All this is is giving credit where credit is due. Leet Sauce has killed things, they belong on the list. That says nothing about another guild. Is that too complicated for you LFG? Does that hurt your feelings? If not, why cant you figure it out and stop crying like a girl about it?

EDIT - I must say I find it very sad that you want to support the spreading of false information in the form of an inaccurate list LFG. The fact is, without alts guilds the list is not accurate, period.

[Cafeejid]

Well, anyone can create a thread where they list all the guilds they are members of when they killed certain mobs.

Any guild whose members have 2+ alts could create alt guild(s) for which to claim creadit for killing all the epics their main guild has killed. But listing all those guilds would be really stupid. I mean 1/3 to 2/3 of my guilds raids are sometimes filled with alts. Claiming credit for some alt guild on those would be also arrogant.

[LFG]

Originally Posted by Ishbu

EDIT - I must say I find it very sad that you want to support the spreading of false information in the form of an inaccurate list LFG. The fact is, without alts guilds the list is not accurate, period.

Me spreading false information?

I've asked you how many times to post facts?

You want to list WHAT GUILD as being the #2 guild on the server for no other purpose than to shake your ice cream cone in front of the other kids on the server and say "you can't have any, because your daddy is on the welfare?".

WHAT GUILD is the number two guild on the server Ishbu?

Is it the "whatever the fuck guild Disso decides it is, even if that guild is a collective of various guilds where Disso owns the characters, but isn't really a guild?"

Post the facts man. WHAT FUCKING GUILD ARE YOU CLAIMING HAS TAKEN DOWN WHAT MOBS ON WHAT DAYS? LIST THAT GUILD AND THE CHARACTERS PRESENT WHEN THE MOB WAS DEFEATED, AND STOP THROWING THIS TANTRUM, IT'S PATHETIC.

FYI: A GUILD IS NOT JUST A COLLECTION OF TOONS CALLED "DISSO'S ALT GUILD." A GUILD IS A COMBINATION OF TOONS GUILDED TOGETHER IN THE SAME EVERQUEST 2 GUILD AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN A GUILD WILL ALL BE IN A GUILD WITH THE SAME NAME AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN GUILDS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT NAMES ARE NOT IN THE SAME GUILD FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXERCISE.

WHEN YOU HAVE TOONS FROM 4 DIFFERENT EQ2 GUILDS IN A RAID, AND NONE OF THOSE TOONS = A MAJORITY OF THE RAID FROM A SINGLE GUILD COMBINED, BY VERY DEFINITION, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM ANY GUILD HAS DEFEATED THE MOB?

You can't. You just want to taunt and degrade other players so you can feel superior. I say again Sir, this is fucking pathetic.

[razieh]

Originally Posted by LFG

WHAT GUILD is the number two guild on the server Ishbu?

Trumaks Terrors

Originally Posted by LFG

FYI: A GUILD IS NOT JUST A COLLECTION OF TOONS CALLED "DISSO'S ALT GUILD." A GUILD IS A COMBINATION OF TOONS GUILDED TOGETHER IN THE SAME EVERQUEST 2 GUILD AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN A GUILD WILL ALL BE IN A GUILD WITH THE SAME NAME AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN GUILDS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT NAMES ARE NOT IN THE SAME GUILD FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXERCISE.

WHEN YOU HAVE TOONS FROM 4 DIFFERENT EQ2 GUILDS IN A RAID, AND NONE OF THOSE TOONS = A MAJORITY OF THE RAID FROM A SINGLE GUILD COMBINED, BY VERY DEFINITION, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM ANY GUILD HAS DEFEATED THE MOB?

Sounds like a raid alliance to me if so this brings up the question should said alliance be listed?

[Snark]

how about world wide scale. I know for a fact pokemon guild got ww3 on mayong mistmoore. it is quite possible that lesser guilds jealous of this fact (npu/cl strong suspicions) were the ones responsible for the name change to "blackberries" we experienced recently

u messed with pokemon, we'll get you back evil-doers. be prepared!

[Elo]

i am no longer apart of this server so i hope u dont mind me posting.

in my mind its rather simple. when i log to an alt to raid with i am still elo. i do not become someone new. on the same note ishbu playing any of his many alts does not make him anything but ishbu on an alt.

if u want to start a list of who is the best player of everything you would be rather high on that list.

if my alt is tagged under my guild or another it is still me as much as u will always be you

Edit: You are attempting to place yourself above everyone else twice. you guys are #1 we know but do u have to be #2 also

[LFG]

Originally Posted by razieh

Trumaks Terrors

Sounds like a raid alliance to me if so this brings up the question should said alliance be listed?

I think it doesn't matter. The other guilds on Nek will end up feeling like it isn't worth being harassed to this extent based on simply trying to keep a scorecard of guild accomplishments on this server.

That's because Ishbu isn't satisfied with just being the unquestioned number one guild on this server, his ego is such that he also needs to be the number two guild as well.

Even if Ishbu was given the number one and two spots as he has requested, he would then come back, as you suggest above, and demand that raid alliances, then pick up raids, be given the number 3 and 4 spots.

And then everyone else on Nek would rightfully say, what the fuck is the point, this isn't fun, this ego maniac exists for the purpose of trying to ruin the small amount of fun I receive from this game and is simply trying to grief all the less accomplished players out of game and off the boards.

I think every other guild on Nek that does any raiding will eventually come to realize they fucked up by not leaving this server when they had the chance, during the free transfer period.

Good luck to you all, I'm done in this conversation and have better things to do.

Just decide what you want and let me know if that requires my assistance.

[razieh]

Ya honestly I don't care about alt guilds or what not just seems over the top as this entire thread is.