Should Alt Guild's be listed on the "Whose Killed What Thread?"

[Deludar]

Does Leet Sauce recruit independantly of Disso? Does Leet Sauce have any members that aren't from Disso and raid on a regular basis? Would Leet Sauce compete with Disso for contesteds if they were capable? Does Leet Sauce have its own charter? Does Leet Sauce follow all of Disso's raid rules when attending a raid? Does leet sauce have seperate forums, website, policies?

Im sure I can think of a ton more questions, but there is a common theme. The answers to all those questions are no. Leet Sauce is a limb off of disso, that is ONLY able to survive and persist because of Disso's previous accomplishments and their continued accomplishments. The second Leet Sauce can answer yes to those above questions then either one of two things has happened 1) Disso split and now is two guilds 2) Disso is now the "alt guild". Only then will I consider them seperate and equal as far as server kills.

[Ishbu]

Originally Posted by Deludar

Does Leet Sauce recruit independantly of Disso? Does Leet Sauce have any members that aren't from Disso and raid on a regular basis? Would Leet Sauce compete with Disso for contesteds if they were capable? Does Leet Sauce have its own charter? Does Leet Sauce follow all of Disso's raid rules when attending a raid? Does leet sauce have seperate forums, website, policies?

Im sure I can think of a ton more questions, but there is a common theme. The answers to all those questions are no. Leet Sauce is a limb off of disso, that is ONLY able to survive and persist because of Disso's previous accomplishments and their continued accomplishments. The second Leet Sauce can answer yes to those above questions then either one of two things has happened 1) Disso split and now is two guilds 2) Disso is now the "alt guild". Only then will I consider them seperate and equal as far as server kills.

WRONG.

Leet Sauce does kill contested mobs that Dissolution no longer bothers with. Leet Sauce does not follow Disso's raid rules or loot rules or membership rules at all. Leet Sauce operates completely differently than Disso does. That is a fucking fact and your entire post that is quoted above is dead wrong because of it.

You dont come here and tell me how a guild I have characters that are a part of operates because you dont know. Your wrong, period.

[Ishbu]

Originally Posted by LFG

Me spreading false information?

I've asked you how many times to post facts?

You want to list WHAT GUILD as being the #2 guild on the server for no other purpose than to shake your ice cream cone in front of the other kids on the server and say "you can't have any, because your daddy is on the welfare?".

WHAT GUILD is the number two guild on the server Ishbu?

Is it the "whatever the fuck guild Disso decides it is, even if that guild is a collective of various guilds where Disso owns the characters, but isn't really a guild?"

Post the facts man. WHAT FUCKING GUILD ARE YOU CLAIMING HAS TAKEN DOWN WHAT MOBS ON WHAT DAYS? LIST THAT GUILD AND THE CHARACTERS PRESENT WHEN THE MOB WAS DEFEATED, AND STOP THROWING THIS TANTRUM, IT'S PATHETIC.

FYI: A GUILD IS NOT JUST A COLLECTION OF TOONS CALLED "DISSO'S ALT GUILD." A GUILD IS A COMBINATION OF TOONS GUILDED TOGETHER IN THE SAME EVERQUEST 2 GUILD AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN A GUILD WILL ALL BE IN A GUILD WITH THE SAME NAME AT THE SAME TIME. PLAYERS IN GUILDS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT NAMES ARE NOT IN THE SAME GUILD FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXERCISE.

WHEN YOU HAVE TOONS FROM 4 DIFFERENT EQ2 GUILDS IN A RAID, AND NONE OF THOSE TOONS = A MAJORITY OF THE RAID FROM A SINGLE GUILD COMBINED, BY VERY DEFINITION, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM ANY GUILD HAS DEFEATED THE MOB?

You can't. You just want to taunt and degrade other players so you can feel superior. I say again Sir, this is fucking pathetic.

First off, I dont think there is any doubt that Leet Sauce is the second best guild on Nektulos. They have the only member with a full set of fabled set gear that isnt in disso on the server. They have the best equipped tank that isnt in disso on the server. They just have better equipped characters and players who know how to go about taking down the harder mobs.

Why are you so upset that a guild we have alts in is good? Why does it hurt your feelings so much LFG? Your not even part of this server and you literally crying, and i mean bitching like a 5 year old girl whose friends ditched her over it. Face it, they are what they are and Leet Sauce deserves credit for its kills. Your fucking stupid if you think there is ANY point in a who has killed what list except to brag about stupid kills. You know why? Because everyone on every server that gives a fuck knows Disso got the important kills on Nektulos first. Nobody gives a fuck who cleared Clockwork Menace Factory 7th on the Nektulos server, nobody. So if we are going to make a list for the guilds who kill that shit like that to put their name up in lights, yes guilds like Leet Sauce should use it to brag. Your a complete moron if you think otherwise because that is all its there for.

Just because your still butthurt about disso not caring about you LFG, doesnt make Leet Sauce any less of a guild. Let me go check, oh yup, eq2players gives them their own guild site, so I guess they count as a guild that isnt Dissolution no matter what you want LFG. Your wrong, Leet Sauce is not dissolution, its leet sauce, thats a fact. A cold, hard fact. Prove otherwise, you cant because its true.

Now try for 5 seconds to actually read you retarded moron. I have said MANY times in this thread now that when we do alt raids, a majority come from Leet Sauce. Was that too hard for you to read? Ill say it again since you seem pretty slow and havent been able to comprehend it yet. When we do alt raids, a majority come from leet sauce. That is why Leet Sauce is asking for their name on the list, not ye drunken horde, numa numa, or even Trumak's Terors/pokemon/blackberries.

How can I claim they defeated the mob? Because they did, period. Were you there LFG? Were you in the raid? Did you see what characters were in the different groups? If you werent, you dont know was well as I do because I was. So were you there and know more about the raid of leet Sauce than I do lfg? Are you saying that? Your wrong again if you are.

Fact - Leet Sauce has killed stuff and should be on a list if there is a list
Fact - Leet sauce is not the same as Disso.
Fact - LFG is crying like a little girl about something that has nothing to do with him.

The bottom line is leet sauce is a seperate guild and SOE agrees. It is their game after all. If they are not included this list is nothing more than a tool LFG is supporting to bully people on the server wich I thought he was against but maybe is just a huge hypocrite after all.

So pick a side LFG, are you in favor of bullying players on the server and not including them on a list because your mad at them and dont like them or are you in favor of things being fair? Pick one, answer the fucking question. There are no other options, you crusading to get leet sauce blacklisted from a server kills list is a bully tactic plain and simple. Trying to deny credit where credit is due. What a fucking hypocrite. Why dont you think that over.

(BTW, im not suprised you dont realize what a huge hypocrite you are being about this. Just so there isnt any confusion LFG here's the definition:

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Looks pretty accurate your pretending to fight against bully tactics but are actually the only one using them here aside from Deludar. Talk about pathetic.)

[Deludar]

You are wrong on two spots. First, I don't think anyone is upset that your alts have good guild gear. In fact, im pretty sure that most people care less about how your alts are equiped. Second, since nektulos is dominated by Disso in all instanced and contested material LOTS of guild care who third, fourth, fifth, etc all the mobs on this server. We compete with each other, whether we talk about it or not. I want to kill mobs before other guilds on the server, as do they.

[Ishbu]

Originally Posted by Deludar

You are wrong on two spots. First, I don't think anyone is upset that your alts have good guild gear. In fact, im pretty sure that most people care less about how your alts are equiped. Second, since nektulos is dominated by Disso in all instanced and contested material LOTS of guild care who third, fourth, fifth, etc all the mobs on this server. We compete with each other, whether we talk about it or not. I want to kill mobs before other guilds on the server, as do they.

I said seventh, not third, fourth, or fifth.

[Deludar]

The principle is the same regardless of which spot is being fought for. Just because you guys are number one doesnt mean the people who are fighting for 6th 7th and 8th on the server dont care about that spot.

See, since you guys have also been #1 on the server you have no clue how competition works between the rest of us. Someone that is number 6 or 7 can jump to 3 or 4 in a month or two depedning on recruitment, guilds leaving or falling apart, etc.

Granted EQ2 doesnt have the huge range of guilds competiting that EQ1 did and this competition is mostly on instanced material, but its still there

[Ishbu]

Originally Posted by Deludar

The principle is the same regardless of which spot is being fought for. Just because you guys are number one doesnt mean the people who are fighting for 6th 7th and 8th on the server dont care about that spot.

See, since you guys have also been #1 on the server you have no clue how competition works between the rest of us. Someone that is number 6 or 7 can jump to 3 or 4 in a month or two depedning on recruitment, guilds leaving or falling apart, etc.

Granted EQ2 doesnt have the huge range of guilds competiting that EQ1 did and this competition is mostly on instanced material, but its still there

If that guild that got 7th wants to try and jump up to 3 or 4, they probably arent too concerned about having their name listed as 7th since they have much bigger aspirations.

EDIT - Hell lets take the easiest contested ever, hurricanus. Are there even 7 guilds that have killed it on this server? Disso, TDS, WoN, Stasis, Fury Council..........mb Cata did or Shoukin even? Thats barely 7 if they all got it, and 3 of those arent on the server now.

[DarkAngel]

I believe I have a solution to end this whole thing.

Make 2 seperate threads. Both will have a list of all the mobs, but one list will contain Disso and disso affiliates, i.e leet sauce, and the other will contain all other guilds who are actually competeing with each other.

Since Disso insists on seperating themselves from the rest of us, insulting our efforts, insulting our acheivements, and are in a league all there own, lets give them that. Give them a thread where they are the only one listed. That is basicly what i'm reading they are wanting anyway.

Give the guilds who have actual competion a list to see who has killed what and which one of those has killed what first. In the grand sceme of things, this is the thread that the majority would be most interested in anyway. And would have more value to the majority of us. Since it is containing OUR efforts and OUR achievements.

I really don't understand why some disso ppl are so up in arms over this to begin with, even without this list, you make damn sure the entire eq2 community knows what you've done, you force it down our throats on a daily bases. And let me stop you before you say it, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JEALOUS. It does however have everything to do with your suck ass attitude towards the population. Like i have said before, you exhibit poor sportsmanship, and are horrible winners. If you would show ppl just a little bit of respect and consideration, ppl would actually look up to you, and would actually think "Wow, that is great they killed that, or looted x item." But unfortunely for you, you have made it impossible to do that.

As it stands now, pretty much the majority of the server and a quite a few across server, just don't care what you've done. You've kind of "Wore your welcome out" as the saying goes. The whole point to lists of this type is to brag and get recongnition and respect from the masses. But your expecting to get this from the very ppl whom you insult and talk down to. You actually expect the ppl you insult to care? You have ultimately defeated your own purpose.

[Tater]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

I believe I have a solution to end this whole thing.

Make 2 seperate threads. Both will have a list of all the mobs, but one list will contain Disso and disso affiliates, i.e leet sauce, and the other will contain all other guilds who are actually competeing with each other.

Since Disso insists on seperating themselves from the rest of us, insulting our efforts, insulting our acheivements, and are in a league all there own, lets give them that. Give them a thread where they are the only one listed. That is basicly what i'm reading they are wanting anyway.

Give the guilds who have actual competion a list to see who has killed what and which one of those has killed what first. In the grand sceme of things, this is the thread that the majority would be most interested in anyway. And would have more value to the majority of us. Since it is containing OUR efforts and OUR achievements.

I really don't understand why some disso ppl are so up in arms over this to begin with, even without this list, you make damn sure the entire eq2 community knows what you've done, you force it down our throats on a daily bases. And let me stop you before you say it, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JEALOUS. It does however have everything to do with your suck ass attitude towards the population. Like i have said before, you exhibit poor sportsmanship, and are horrible winners. If you would show ppl just a little bit of respect and consideration, ppl would actually look up to you, and would actually think "Wow, that is great they killed that, or looted x item." But unfortunely for you, you have made it impossible to do that.

As it stands now, pretty much the majority of the server and a quite a few across server, just don't care what you've done. You've kind of "Wore your welcome out" as the saying goes. The whole point to lists of this type is to brag and get recongnition and respect from the masses. But your expecting to get this from the very ppl whom you insult and talk down to. You actually expect the ppl you insult to care? You have ultimately defeated your own purpose.

The only guilds competing on this server are Leet Sauce and Disso. Fuck you leet sauce!

[Deludar]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

I believe I have a solution to end this whole thing.

Make 2 seperate threads. Both will have a list of all the mobs, but one list will contain Disso and disso affiliates, i.e leet sauce, and the other will contain all other guilds who are actually competeing with each other.

Since Disso insists on seperating themselves from the rest of us, insulting our efforts, insulting our acheivements, and are in a league all there own, lets give them that. Give them a thread where they are the only one listed. That is basicly what i'm reading they are wanting anyway.

Give the guilds who have actual competion a list to see who has killed what and which one of those has killed what first. In the grand sceme of things, this is the thread that the majority would be most interested in anyway. And would have more value to the majority of us. Since it is containing OUR efforts and OUR achievements.

I really don't understand why some disso ppl are so up in arms over this to begin with, even without this list, you make damn sure the entire eq2 community knows what you've done, you force it down our throats on a daily bases. And let me stop you before you say it, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JEALOUS. It does however have everything to do with your suck ass attitude towards the population. Like i have said before, you exhibit poor sportsmanship, and are horrible winners. If you would show ppl just a little bit of respect and consideration, ppl would actually look up to you, and would actually think "Wow, that is great they killed that, or looted x item." But unfortunely for you, you have made it impossible to do that.

As it stands now, pretty much the majority of the server and a quite a few across server, just don't care what you've done. You've kind of "Wore your welcome out" as the saying goes. The whole point to lists of this type is to brag and get recongnition and respect from the masses. But your expecting to get this from the very ppl whom you insult and talk down to. You actually expect the ppl you insult to care? You have ultimately defeated your own purpose.

QFE

Very good post and im sure that almost everyone feels the same way