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View Poll Results: Is Dissolution a raid guild, or a raiding alliance?
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Dissolution and its alt guilds should each be counted as seperate guilds.
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Disso has made claims indicating it is a raid alliance, so it should be treated like one.
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05-22-2007, 04:44 PM
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Character: Seim
Guild: Fellowship of Heavenly Fire
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 51
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Ishbu
Yeah we do use alts from the alt guilds for disso raids at times, but those are NOT the kills we have claimed for the alt guilds. Hell, I personally have used 2 different healer alts on Wuoshi, but you dont see us claiming that Leet Sauce killed Wuoshi do you? No, because that was disso, not the alt guild.
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Sigh, there was a word missing in my post.
My point is that you dont yourself consider the alt guilds to be real guilds. So you can claim the kills for Disso, but since the alt guilds are not real guilds even in your own opinion, why should those be able to claim those?
Now as you can see, it is totally different for a true raiding guild to help another to achieve a goal than for one guild to create any number of alt guilds and then try to say that they have actually accomplished something on their own when they do things with the alts. Is that any different that many guilds are already doing with their alts in guild? How many kills can a single guild claim if the alt guilds are allowed to claim kills just for show?
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05-22-2007, 05:00 PM
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Character: Ishbu
Guild: Dissolution
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 2,164
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Cafeejid
Sigh, there was a word missing in my post.
My point is that you dont yourself consider the alt guilds to be real guilds. So you can claim the kills for Disso, but since the alt guilds are not real guilds even in your own opinion, why should those be able to claim those?
Now as you can see, it is totally different for a true raiding guild to help another to achieve a goal than for one guild to create any number of alt guilds and then try to say that they have actually accomplished something on their own when they do things with the alts. Is that any different that many guilds are already doing with their alts in guild? How many kills can a single guild claim if the alt guilds are allowed to claim kills just for show?
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Are their alt guilds tanking, healing, dpsing, and playing the support classes for the kills? Are the alt guilds filling all major roles with emply slots filled in with mains? If so, they should be added in.
I really dont think that is happening since most guilds on this server still struggle to kill the raid content on mains. Just because we dont struggle as much is that any reason to keep our guilds off the list? No, its not.
EDIT - And I consider Leet sauce to be as much of a real guild as I consider any guild on Nektulos outside of Dissolution.
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05-23-2007, 02:12 AM
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Character: Seim
Guild: Fellowship of Heavenly Fire
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 51
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
So, either you do the exact thing that you accuse LFG of and that is downgrading other guilds is this server or then you lied in your post where you boasted not to have asked for help from other guilds. Taking in players from other guilds is asking for help you see.
Besides, we have often even several key positions in our raids filled with alts. We just see no intelligence in put them on separate guilds and boasting how we can kill stuff with several guilds.
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05-23-2007, 12:09 PM
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Character: Kisy
Guild: Tribal Instinct
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 277
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Ishbu
Seriously you guys have problems, ....are you going to keep being unreasonable and trying to keep the little guys down or are you going to actually run things fairly?
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I laughed so hard at this post.
We have problems? ROFLMAO
Trying to keep the little guys? this is halarious! Remember your the big fish of Nek Server. My raid alliance are the little guys in comparison.... I dont understand how you can seriously state that you are the little guys.
Ohhh thats right this is Ishbu's rules. Sorry I forgot <rolls eyes>
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05-23-2007, 12:16 PM
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Character: Kisy
Guild: Tribal Instinct
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 277
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
[quote=Ishbu;135976]If your not jealous then whats the big deal with them being on the list? quote]
Why do you insist on them being on the list if its no big deal?
<another contridiction by Ishbu>
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05-23-2007, 12:27 PM
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Character: Retired
Guild: Onyx
Server: Nagafen
Posts: 9,482
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Kisy
another contridiction by Ishbu
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Ishbu has more issues than the National Geographic. 
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05-23-2007, 12:50 PM
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Character: Taint
Server: Nektulous
Posts: 40
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
The more this goes on the more contradictions and inconsistencies show up 
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05-23-2007, 02:00 PM
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Character: Namai
Guild: Nexus
Server: Najena
Posts: 79
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
This is actually a serious question...
What does a raiding guild have to gain by having alt guilds instead of having all raid able alts in the one guild?
I could understand it if 2 things were true, 1) guild status was still split by the number of members in the guild and 2) guild level actually meant something.
Since neither of these are true, I see no reason at all to have alts in seperate guilds. A top end raiding guild is all about efficiency, and having raid able toons spread out over 6 or more guilds seems to run counter to that.
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05-23-2007, 02:07 PM
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Character: Antarafein & Kajar /KFizzle
Guild: Fellowship of Heavenly Fire/Hi Times
Server: Nektulos
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Namai
This is actually a serious question...
What does a raiding guild have to gain by having alt guilds instead of having all raid able alts in the one guild?
I could understand it if 2 things were true, 1) guild status was still split by the number of members in the guild and 2) guild level actually meant something.
Since neither of these are true, I see no reason at all to have alts in seperate guilds. A top end raiding guild is all about efficiency, and having raid able toons spread out over 6 or more guilds seems to run counter to that.
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i TOTALLY agree....and yet ... Stasis now has two alt guilds, "Wait, What" and "Internet Bullies" ... although the later is awesome and new.
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05-23-2007, 02:08 PM
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Character: Kriks
Guild: Stasis
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 725
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Re: Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"
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Originally Posted by Namai
This is actually a serious question...
What does a raiding guild have to gain by having alt guilds instead of having all raid able alts in the one guild?
I could understand it if 2 things were true, 1) guild status was still split by the number of members in the guild and 2) guild level actually meant something.
Since neither of these are true, I see no reason at all to have alts in seperate guilds. A top end raiding guild is all about efficiency, and having raid able toons spread out over 6 or more guilds seems to run counter to that.
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