Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance" - Page 9

Widem · 05-22-2007, 03:21 PM

Everyone is portraying us as these big fucking assholes that just toss around little people but thats never been the case. Main reason being is why would we care, its like going out of my way to boil an anthill. There are loads of people who in game who have questions and genuinly need help and when people ask politely i will help them as long as i am not doing disso raids at the time. Somtimes raiding with them is a challenge b/c yes their skil level isnt up to ours, but at least it adds some degree of dificulty for me which is why i love it.

Cafeejid · 05-22-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Have you seen a single person in those guilds say they do not want to be listed? No.

Have you seen most of those members not post here because they are tired of being bullied and are just saying fuck this site because deludar and lfg dont like them so they cant post here? Yes.

What does that have to do with the fact that they are the ones in multiple guilds? Now that you have been told that obvious fact, look at the posts with it in mind. And keep in mind that it is not about you alone. It doesn't matter whether they want to be on the list or not, they are still members of multiple guilds and the issue is that why should these alt guilds be listed.

I'd say you can list the guilds as soon as they kill that stuff without any alts. This means raiding with only recruits or whatever. If you have any people with a toon in Disso, it goes against what you have just been bragging about not asking for help from other guilds. So show us that they are truly separate raiding guilds and not just guilds where you camp your alts for occasional fun.

Are those lvl 60 guilds btw?

Cafeejid · 05-22-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Yeah I guess The Eldars can never get credit for raid kills because dissolution members and alts have gone with and helped them for fun. Its a shame to see hard working guilds who are just trying to have fun being shoved around by some people because they dont like some people for offending them or being mean to them.

Now you are beating a strawman.

Besides, you are the one who set the condition for asking help. And if you remembered the context, you would remember that you denied 'guild status' from your alt guilds since you claimed you have never asked other guild for help. So either no toon from the alt guilds ever join your raids or they are not separate guilds.

Widem · 05-22-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cafeejid

Now you are beating a strawman.

Besides, you are the one who set the condition for asking help. And if you remembered the context, you would remember that you denied 'guild status' from your alt guilds since you claimed you have never asked other guild for help. So either no toon from the alt guilds ever join your raids or they are not separate guilds.

have you fucking read anything we never raid with anyone else at the begining of any expansion...im sure this is hard for you to understand b/c i know you guild has problems with many of the encounters but this expansion was beated for us in about march. over the past 2 months we raid with lots of people just for fun, the game is a fucking joke. i dont understand what is wrong with playing with people outside your guild, i can play with whoever i damn want.

Ishbu · 05-22-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cafeejid

Now you are beating a strawman.

Besides, you are the one who set the condition for asking help. And if you remembered the context, you would remember that you denied 'guild status' from your alt guilds since you claimed you have never asked other guild for help. So either no toon from the alt guilds ever join your raids or they are not separate guilds.

Im sorry but this doesnt work both ways. If our guilds dont get credit for kills because they had some help from another guild, then no guilds should. The eldars are a bunch of people trying to raid what they can and are just trying to have fun, but evidentally assholes like you dont want them to get credit for their kills because they used some outside help from another guild.

And if you actually read the thread, you would know that the asking for help thing came from a completely side conversation spurned by a disgruntled ex member.

So pick one, are you saying the elders, any guild that uses help from other guilds, AND any guild that has a member that is also a member of another guild should not get credit for their raid kills?

Did you know Stasis had a member of dissolution as a member in their guild for a long time? So should Stasis not get credit for thier kills because one of our alts was in their guild? Answer that. If stasis gets credit, if the elders get credit, you are saying our guilds should get credit. If not, then remove stasis right now.

Widem · 05-22-2007, 03:55 PM

you know what i did suddenly get kinda upset about this, this who kill what list is completely for fun. you think that i give 2 shits about the server rankings. The only thing that has ever matter to us is the WW rankings. I never log in every day and think hmmm i wonder whats going on on nek. I look at the WW shit and think goddamnit i wish i would have followed my gut when they nerf AEs and pressed going to kill mayong faster, b/c when they nerfed everything it made the encounter easy and it just came down to whoever wanted to kill him on that day. I think jesus i wish i would have known that some random item from a diety quest was the key to beating an encounter.

At this point the only reason anyone would really even know that this coalition was helped by disso is b/c of the publicity that it has been given.

Widem · 05-22-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

And if you actually read the thread, you would know that the asking for help thing came from a completely side conversation spurned by a disgruntled ex member.

and in that instance it was a race for WW supremacy...in this case its just people beating encounters that 50 other guilds have beaten.

Ishbu · 05-22-2007, 03:58 PM

Lol I couldnt care less if they removed dissolution from that list. Everyone world wide knows we dominate this server. Never once have I fought for dissolution to be on that list, just the alt guilds. You know, those guilds that actually have to put in some effort like the other ones on this list to kill shit.

Hell nobody but Dissolution has killed Wuoshi on this server and we did that what? 4 months ago? Leet Sauce and the other alt guilds havent but they are getting close, just like some of the other guilds on nektulos. Those are the guilds that should be listed with the nektulos guilds, not guilds like dissolution because everyone knows we killed it all and nobody needs to see it on a list.

Hell, if I was looking at the server lists for one of the other servers with a dominant guild I would be far more interested in their alt guild kills than their main guilds. Its just makes for an all around more interesting list.

Cafeejid · 05-22-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Im sorry but this doesnt work both ways. If our guilds dont get credit for kills because they had some help from another guild, then no guilds should.

And? Again that was not the point. The point is that you are propably using your alts in the alt guilds for Disso raids. This combined to the statement that you dont ask for help from other guilds means that even in your own eyes the alt guilds are true guilds.

Ishbu · 05-22-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cafeejid

And? Again that was not the point. The point is that you are propably using your alts in the alt guilds for Disso raids. This combined to the statement that you dont ask for help from other guilds means that even in your own eyes the alt guilds are true guilds.

Yeah we do use alts from the alt guilds for disso raids at times, but those are NOT the kills we have claimed for the alt guilds. Hell, I personally have used 2 different healer alts on Wuoshi, but you dont see us claiming that Leet Sauce killed Wuoshi do you? No, because that was disso, not the alt guild.