Should Disso and it's alt guilds be counted as a "raid alliance"

LFG · 05-21-2007, 03:54 AM

Members of Disso have stirred up much controversy, and made many posts on this board, regarding their belief that they should get both the number one and two spots on Deludar's Who's Killed What - Nektulos post.

This has spun out into several different threads on this issue. Disso proponents seem to claim that the list is inaccurate unless both their main and alt guild are listed twice for each mob. Opponents have claimed they are being petty and childish.

Most notably, in this thread: Should Alt Guild's be listed on the "Whose Killed What Thread?" a user suggested that if Disso is really claiming that it's alt guild killed all the mobs that it has killed, then those mobs really weren't killed by a guild, but by a raid alliance.

In the middle of all this, the poor guy who wanted to just have some fun in EQ2 and on this board and put up a thread about who has killed what is stuck in the middle. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't do what Disso wants. I don't think that's fair, so I propose we help him out some and answer the question: Is Dissolution a guild, or a raid alliance?

Ishbu · 05-21-2007, 06:46 AM

This is the nektulos board and doesnt concern people who left the server because they were no longer wanted. Furthermore it was the nektulos server who has killed what list, not Deludar's list of things that died by people. How about you run along and find something that actually concerns you and get over the fact dissolution was mean to you and made fun of you.

LFG · 05-21-2007, 09:44 AM

This is a public section on a public website.

Oh yeah, and I own it too!

These things give me the right and reason to post in this section, in this thread, on this topic, or basically about anything else I want.

But thanks for caring, sweetcakes!

LFG · 05-21-2007, 09:45 AM

And Ish, you better rally the crew, you're losing the poll.

Illuminator · 05-21-2007, 10:01 AM

The conclusion can be decided on, based on commentary found strictly on this site. Any person could have started the poll.

Izzdar · 05-21-2007, 10:26 AM

I figured i would transfer over the Discussion that brought up the debate.

If you really didn't care what people thought you wouldn't have been so adiment about your alt guild being listed.

On a side note. Since Leet Sauce gets help clearing zones from Dissolution. Wouldn't it be more of a raid alliance. Examples would be Mayong Mistmore and Sawtooth the Ancient. They worked together to clear the zone. Also i am sure you bring alts from leet Sauce to replace key classes when they aren't present at the raid.

I would normally say no its just dissolution's kill but as you stated leet sauce is its own separate entity. That being said we should take your mutual assistance into concideration. Rather then list leet sauce separately why not list Dissolution/Leetsauce raid alliance.

Reasons they should be a raid alliance.
1) Dissolution and Leet Sauce only help eachother.
-I have never heard of either going into a raid zone and helping a different
guild.
2) The leader of dissolution has stated Leet Sauce is a seperate guild and should be
concidered so.
3) They don't compete for contesteds.
4) They follow the same raid leader.

Izzdar · 05-21-2007, 10:27 AM

Ishbu i figured i would use some references to back up my allegations for the dissolution/Leet sauce raid alliance. Also it would be far more convincing to incriminate you with your own words.

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Bottom line, your wrong in saying its always disso first and then leet sauce. If that was the case we would be claiming EVERY mob in guild for leet sauce because we have used alts on everything.
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Last weekend was an odd weekend for us. Itoock was gone, Morphling was on a deep sea fishing trip, and Kobal had his family in town. Do the math and figure out how many plate tanks that leaves us with.

How did we manage to kill everything still? Because of alts. The fact is there is not one single class that one of our membesr does not have an alt of. Wich key classes do you claim we are missing LFG? Just because we dont force everyone to be in leet sauce that doesnt make the alts of Numa Numa or other guilds any less important, Leet Sauce is just the main base of operations. Notice how we werent posting here for every random guild to get credit, just the ones that are major and instruemental.
What is that if not a raid alliance. 2 separate guilds as you stated many times.

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Leet Sauce does kill contested mobs that Dissolution no longer bothers with. Leet Sauce does not follow Disso's raid rules or loot rules or membership rules at all. Leet Sauce operates completely differently than Disso does. That is a fucking fact and your entire post that is quoted above is dead wrong because of it.
You need Leet Sauce as maid apparent in the first to quotes. And they are a separate entity from dissolution which is clearly shown in the second gourp of quotes. Sounds like a raid alliance to me.

Alliance is defined as a merging of efforts or interests by persons, families, states, or organizations.

Sounds like two organisations merging their efforts to complete a common goal to me. Dissolution/Leetsauce raid alliance has a ring to it. Or we could give recognition to other guilds as well. Dissolution/Leet Sauce/ NUMA NUMA/ Ye Drunkin Horde raid alliance sounds good as well.

Izzdar · 05-21-2007, 10:28 AM

Ishbu how can i describe you?? the words that come to mind are asinine,infantile and contradictory.

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Asinine
1.foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements. 2.of or like an ass: asinine obstinacy; asinine features.
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infantile
adjective1. indicating a lack of maturity; "childish tantrums"; "infantile behavior" [syn: childish] 2. of or relating to infants or infancy; "infantile paralysis" 3. being or befitting or characteristic of an infant; "infantile games"
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Contradictory
adjective 1.asserting the contrary or opposite; contradicting; inconsistent; logically opposite: contradictory statements.
Has anyone ever said that you want "to have one's cake and eat it too (sometimes eat one's cake and have it too) because it seems to suit you.

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To wish to have one's cake and eat it too (sometimes eat one's cake and have it too) is to want more than one can handle or deserve, or to try to have two incompatible things. This is a popular English idiomatic proverb, or figure of speech.
Your alt guild is a guild when you want to be on a list and is just alts when we say your a alliance. A tad contradictor????

Is dissolution the alt guild? Why do i ask you might be thinking. The reason is You stated that you need your alts to succeed and they come on many raids with you. You also stated that Leet Sauce (Its own entity) can easily act alone clearing epics. Hmmmmmmm sounds like Dissolution is the alt guild. Sounds like Dissolution needs Leet Sauce more than Leet Sauce needs Dissolution.

Also do you think if half of Dissolution left the guild or retired from the server Leetsauce would continue to thrive getting server firsts? The obvious answer is no. The reason i came to this conclusion is if Dissolution lost half of its members so would Leet Sauce.

Before i forget i think i should defend my reason for calling you such names. Asinine is obvious if you read the italicized statement at the back of the first definition.

It was actually a debate between infantile and childish. The determining factor was "infantile games". This seemed to have a certain ring to it drawing me in and changing my decision.

Contradictory if i really need to describe this one then we all have problems. This is so obvious that illiterate people have picked up on it from seeing your posts. (was going to say blind but i figured i would make fun of people who can't read) (I hope they don't read this lol)

Finally the "to have one's cake and eat it too" I was debating using such a cliche but it was so appropriate that i couldn't resist. If you question this and truly want a written reason ask and i will pull up quotes.

P.S. Please look beyond spelling and grammar errors i am writing this at work and can't dedicate my full time to this matter.

Ishbu · 05-21-2007, 10:35 AM

LFG how can I be losing the poll when the choice I picked is clearly ahead? Learn to count.

As for Izzdar, Im glad to see Ive offended you. Furthermore I dont need to even read your ignorant shit to point out how fucking stupid you are, all I need is one quote from you....

"Also do you think if half of Dissolution left the guild or retired from the server Leetsauce would continue to thrive getting server firsts? The obvious answer is no."

History proves you wrong, period. Grats on being a dumbass. We lose half our members every few months, we still do 10x better than your gimp ass. Must suck to be you, to care this much about a game and be so terrible at it.

Ishbu · 05-21-2007, 10:41 AM

Oh, LFG I should add, you realize your calling CL a raid alliance too right? You know, that guild your a part of that has sent out tells asking for strats from other guilds, aka using them and their knowlege to beat encounters, the guild that has used members of dissolution to play characters for them to beat encounters. Guess by your own logic that makes them a raid alliance too.

Not saying thats a bad thing, just the truth.