Ancalak

I'm not defending anyone. I also didn't want people to be led astray by things that were said here. It's funny how the 8 people I mentioned are slowly coming out of hiding and showing their faces without even needing their names being mentioned. Grats on your first post, guys. You're just demonstrating my point about Sieki actively trying to gain support. I won't ever ask someone to post in this thread on my behalf, or anyone else's.

Tell me, if Sieki were to call Wildsea derogatory names repeatedly, would you have allowed it? How about a "little whore" comment under her name in guild? If you really want to defend Sieki, then by all means explain how that is acceptable. Just try and justify that.

Wildsea was an uber healer. She wasn't present the last few weeks. I didn't feel it necessary to mention her or drag her name into it. She's apparently happy to do so on her own, though. And grats on mentioning the person who I would probably never ever say a bad thing about. It was painfully obvious Wildsea and Hethyr didn't get a long. I don't understand why they couldn't just ignore each other. Oh well.

Also, it's the virtual blowjob type comments that fed more drama. You people are making it extremely obvious where the rumors came from. Such a shame.

Tolemak

Be happy.

sieki

first off anca those 8 players you speak of were the heart of the guild. without them we were nothing.

and yea, people are going to show their faces and back me up when they know you are just talking out your ass trying desperately to defend yourself (even though you werent even the topic of the flame).

tolemak knows i bitched about CoB because i didnt just do it in officer chat, i told him many times about it, and in the end, he got way better at it.

maybe if you hethyr and polg didnt keep all your drama in tells we would still be a guild. and if not, then that 8 people group you keep talking about would have been 20, would you be saying "oh well there are just 20 others that agree with you sieki"?? no, but there are 8 aparently that know enough about the situation to know who is to blame for the most part.

btw, i didnt ask tolemak or wild or stead to say anything. so much for that theory.

oh and your little comment about if i were to call wild names over and over, well how about i wouldnt because i respect her as a player and a person.

it really doesnt take much for me to like someone in eq2 its really quite simple actually.... just dont suck, and if you do, dont make excuses about it, just learn to play better.

so i'm just so curous about how you will break apart this post and make a comment about every line i wrote.

/sits and waits

sedetive23

lol gonn tushay,



i never go on forums lol



;)

Ancalak

The people who you wanted to leave, left. What everyone did after that was their own choice.

I wasn't the topic of your flame, but perhaps you did notice what thread you were posting in. You seriously suck at paying the fuck attention. This thread was solely about you. I'm not stopping anyone from defending you. I have to say though, they're doing a lousy job.

He got better at pushing a hotkey once a minute? That's great. I hope he didn't strain himself with all the practice and coaching from you. I could have just bought a pet monkey and trained it to push the fucking button in the time it took Tolemak.

Having to call off raids because Tolemak couldn't press the button because Sieki told him he didn't have to. That's great. If you don't know what I'm referring to, or what zone, then you really weren't paying attention and you really did miss how the encounter worked. Tolemak wouldn't cooperate because he thought it had something to do with Hethyr. It didn't. You call that progress? You call that helping? You have an odd sense of what progress is. The zone became undoable. You can't leave the mob we had to pass on standing and complete the zone.

Say what you will about whoever you want. That was you're doing. From reading these other posts, it's obvious that you weren't sharing this shit you were causing with them. I can't imagine what your goal was, but you know what the result was. One would only hope you would learn to stop yourself from repeating the same mistakes.

The guild rules stated drama is not to be public. Of course it stayed in tells and officer chat. At least until you decided that it shouldn't. You speak of me not listening to a leader. Well, a leader told you to STFU. You didn't. Even now you can't even admit the part you played. You're too arrogant to do so.

Their post history speaks differently.

No one cares what you thought of Hethyr. Your behavior was unacceptable. It violated the rules. This flame is about YOU.

It takes a LOT to get me to say something bad about someone.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long. The "break apart" thing is called multi-quote. It makes it a bit easier to follow the conversation, IMHO. To each their own.

sieki

i'm done arguing with you bro, you've been proven wrong a number of times with all of your arguements, and you have no supporters... says something.

and i'm not too sure what mob you are referring to that i told tolemak to not cast cob.... why would i ever do that? i was always on his ass about it guy, get your facts straight.

just because they never posted here before does not mean they did not hear about this flame and decided to check it out, and then after viewing you hopelessly trying to flame me they decided to step in and tell you to stfu.

sorry buddy, this one did not go in your favor.

Ancalak

Supporters? I did this of my own accord and free will. Why would I need supporters to flame someone? /boggle. The only people I involved in any issues were the guild leader, the sub leader, as well as the parties involved. You can call that the holy trinity or whatever you want. You seem to be missing the fact that the parties involved were the officers and leaders as well as the people with the issues. People are hurt because I didn't involve them in someone else's business? They're upset that I didn't include them? /shrug. It didn't involve them. Why they're trying so desperately to look like victims or that they're holy than thou is beyond me. None the less, it's funny.

You also haven't proven anything wrong with my arguments. You keep dancing around them and avoiding them. You also have ppl who self admittedly were not involved and do not know the facts speaking up on your behalf. Well, good for you. You found a gullable lot, didn't you? You must be right because those fools say you are. Yep. That proves everything.


Tolemak's story differs. He said you told him not to and that he shouldn't have to listen to anything he was told to do. This is from the mouth of Tolemak. How convenient for you that you don't recall it. Why would you ever do that? You tell me, it's something you did. As stated, you don't pay the fuck attention. I even cut and pasted the logs to Naif of that conversation with Tolemak. No matter what your issues or justification for doing so was, you were causing problems. The raid wasn't functional due to your actions. The final straw was in Lyceum where you had two entire groups bickering so badly with each other that they couldn't even kill trash mobs. Despite what the topic of the bickering was about, YOU were the one causing it. It stopped when you were stopped. If people want to deny it, then that's their decision.

The irony of this thread and your own flame is lost on you. There you are again, out of no where, stirring up trouble. You want to blame Hethyr so badly for your own actions. Why? Be a man. You said the things you did. You took the actions you did. No one forced you. Hethyr didn't make you. To blame her is saying she had you wrapped around her finger as well.

I don't recall anyone telling me to STFU. As if I would listen to them anyways. They didn't STFU when it came to conjecture and rumors. It wasn't hopeless either, it worked. You responded. You continue to respond. My post count goes up. That is the entire purpose. As stated very early on, you are being trolled. You don't even pay attention to the explicitly obvious.

You seem to think I'm trying to win something or eventually there will be a winner.

sieki

so we couldnt kill trash mobs on that last lyceum raid? the night i left the guild? pretty sure we were doing just fine that night, no wipes, no deaths, we were doing it just as we always did

the only problem was that hethyr was bitching at yet another dirge (Tolemak) and tolemak came to me asking what he should do.

i told him to simply tell hethyr to adjust to his style of play since he has been playing in that group since he joined and he didnt want to change just to maximize her dps.

now i'm not sure if he did tell her that, but i certainly would not tell him to not cast a spell that was crucial to the performance of the raid....

maybe if you had come to me and asked me about it instead of just bitching to naif, who once he recieved faulty info from you (because you didnt get it from the source) told me to leave the raid. obviously i was pissed that the other officers and he werent even trying to get my input on hethyrs story so i left.

and you may not be trying to "win" this arguement, but looking back over it, its like you lost your mind while you were typing... next time get all the facts to avoid such drama guy, and good luck to you

Ancalak

So Oliva... Are you proud of your participation in the Wizard section yet? It's funny how Sieki has to make comments about other's DPS when you were consistently around 800-1200 zonewide. Much lower than Sieki even stated Hethyr's numbers were. I'm sure the wizard community is eagerly awaiting to hear from you on how to achieve such numbers.

Or maybe you have Sieki's cock shoved so far up your pie hole that you your stupid cunt ass doesn't even want to try to speak at the moment?

And hey, Sieki said you all agreed with how he talked to Hethyr, and you all agreed that it was justified because he had no respect for Hethyr. Using the same logic, the same logic you are defending Sieki for using, I'm talking to you in the same manner. I have no respect for you. I really do think your an idiot and a fool if you think this behavior is ever justified. You're even too stupid to realize I was being nasty to you to prove a point.

Ancalak

You thought that was fine? Seriously? Not paying attention again. I thought you were done here. Yet, here you are. Your not much for being a man of his word, are you? I know your personality type. You are easy to troll.

I hope you realize that you disbanded from the guild moments before you were going to be kicked. You can ask Naif. You can tell me all you like that I was the only one who thought you were a disruption. The other leaders agreed with me.

Uh huh. When I wanted him to cast CoB at a specific time, why wouldn't he? What does that have to do with Hethyr? Nothing. Stop using Hethyr as your excuse. You caused disruptions.


It wasn't even about maximizing dps.


Yet, that's the effect it had. It wasn't even fixable.

6 ppl complained to me during the middle of a raid about the shit you were starting. 6. Now getting the info directly from the source? To get complaints from 6 ppl, you were causing a disruption. You still don't seem to be reading anything I'm telling you.

The fact that you keep bringing up new issues and not responding to the ones already mentioned really doesn't look like I've lost my mind. It looks like you're not capable of coherent thought or forming an argument. You want to defend yourself and your actions, then do so. No one forced you to make the decisions that you did.

I also didn't start this. You did. So that last sentence there, are you saying I caused you to post a flame here regarding Hethyr? I forceably made you do it? I'm not your babysitter. I told you in the beginning. We're digging our own holes.