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Old 10-12-2007, 05:12 AM  
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Hello my fellow Paladins. I would like your opinion on my AA set up. I am in a guild that does mostly groups and some raids. I usually tank or dps, but mostly tank. My Crusader tree is stam 6/4/8/8/1 and Int 8/4/8. I have to be honest I am happy on this set up but would like imput and perhaps get a few new ideas. Thanks in advance.

PS My Paladin tree is set up exactly like Wozamil, and I have to say it's truly badass, thanks for the idea.
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Old 10-12-2007, 06:18 AM  
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Hello my fellow Paladins. I would like your opinion on my AA set up. I am in a guild that does mostly groups and some raids. I usually tank or dps, but mostly tank. My Crusader tree is stam 6/4/8/8/1 and Int 8/4/8. I have to be honest I am happy on this set up but would like imput and perhaps get a few new ideas. Thanks in advance.

PS My Paladin tree is set up exactly like Wozamil, and I have to say it's truly badass, thanks for the idea.
Comming from tons of xp of tanking all content, that is the best MT tank spec of them all. It gives the max HP (which is only thing that matters in this x-pac) and the all important spell crits

Now if you and your guild ever gets to the point where you guys raid more then abit casual and you move to a OT spot 4/4/8 Int,Sta,Agi is the way to go b/c if in a OT role you shouldn't need the extra 400ish hp the sta line gives and 10 min recast DA. You should be more focused on locking down adds etc which the 40 % aoe attack will greatly help your aoe add control.

Question for you tho. How are you speced in the Paladin tree ?
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:17 PM  
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Here is my Paladin Tree setup;

Righteous Condemnation 5
Ardent Belief 5
Blessing of the Reverent 5
Sigil of Heroism 5
Holy Circle 5
Righteouness 5
Relentless Conviction 5
Brimstone 5
Doom Aura 3
Righteous Demonstation 5
Blocking Mastery
Holy Smite

Also would you suggest I use a slower speed weapon with higher damage or a faster weapon with less damage? Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:19 PM  
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Here is my Paladin Tree setup;

Righteous Condemnation 5
Ardent Belief 5
Blessing of the Reverent 5
Sigil of Heroism 5
Holy Circle 5
Righteouness 5
Relentless Conviction 5
Brimstone 5
Doom Aura 3
Righteous Demonstation 5
Blocking Mastery
Holy Smite

Also would you suggest I use a slower speed weapon with higher damage or a faster weapon with less damage? Thanks in advance.

If your speced melee crits like you are you always want to use a slower swinging weapon. Reson being the slower weapons have a higher damage spread on them EX the labs hammer Admantine Doomhammer Has a DR of 77.2 (pre-nerf) and a delay of 1.6 with a damage spread of 31-93 (without str/dps mods) now if you crit hit somone with that weapon you can only do 93+, Now lets say you have a 5 sec hammer like this baby i used for a long time. Emerald Hammer DR of 84.7 and a delay of 4.9. Damage spread was 83-332. Now these are the raw weqapon numbers in whicn no buffs are taken into account. I regarly saw the Emerald hammer on raids crit for over 3 K with debuffs and such, while the Doomhammer will swing alot faster and only crit for mayber 400-600 on raid with debufs etc. Also b/c we always casting so much you will screw up your Auto attack with the faster weapon always delaying it as where with the slower weapon you will be able to time it much better,

Now to AA's. Now like you stated above you tank alot, then i would suggest this this for your last 8 point you have left over from taken smite evil and blocking mastery. 3 in our single target heal and 5 in our ward (or could even do 3 in interecede being they kinda twinked it better) WHat that is gunna allow for is 5 seconds off the total of 15 and a extra ward every 3rd ward. If your a Paladin tank that is tanking imo that is a amazing aa we have.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:18 AM  
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Now to AA's. Now like you stated above you tank alot, then i would suggest this this for your last 8 point you have left over from taken smite evil and blocking mastery. 3 in our single target heal and 5 in our ward (or could even do 3 in interecede being they kinda twinked it better) WHat that is gunna allow for is 5 seconds off the total of 15 and a extra ward every 3rd ward. If your a Paladin tank that is tanking imo that is a amazing aa we have.
Dont mean to contradict ya here bud but imho for the AAs, it depends what he is tanking. Personally I see more benefit out of groups/minor raids from the extra 8 points in Call and Righteous procs, its slgihtly more dps, which in turn is better aggro. The ward is nice but I have never found a need to be casting it that often unless solo'n.

Weapons part, i agree 100%
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:03 PM  
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Dont mean to contradict ya here bud but imho for the AAs, it depends what he is tanking.
If your in a Mt role more then not the ward is a good thing to have, However if you find yourself in heroic and OT content proc are the way to go as Nardaak said.

When i would MT (raids) i found myself casting my ward every chance it was up. Its not that my healers sucked but it is preventative damage and more aggro for me. Now on the other hand it is near worthless for a OT role b/c i never got a hcnace to cast it b/c i was always moving to get adds or doing something else but always moving.

My fault for not being more clear
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:05 PM  
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At this time I am mostly tanking heroic and X2 raids. I was in a raiding guild for a time but went back to an old group of friends. Now I am learning how to properly tank. I really enjoy tanking, but love the versitility that Paladin has to offer. Thanks again for all your help, it's truly appreciate it.


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Old 10-14-2007, 05:29 PM  
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I'd take the procs over the ward.


I usually only cast it before pull, but if I do cast it during the fight, it's not often enough to warrant a recast reduction. My job as an MT/OT is to do everything I can to hold agro, not keep myself alive. That's a healers job. Nevermind the interupt factor.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:20 PM  
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when I'm MT in a raid, about the only time I use my ward is on the pull. I might throw one up if I take a bit of spike damage to give my healers time to catch up on me (my mit is still a bit low, especially tanking in offensive), but even that is rare as my normal MT healers are pretty good
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:41 PM  
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I tend to view our ward with a differant approach. I consider it our temporary defense buff kinda like guards and zerks get the temporary mit buffs. On trash I rarely/never use it but on shit that might hurt me I use it whenever its up. IMO this actually gives the illusion that palies are the easiest class to keep alive and it produces a little agro as well so its not like your completely wasting your time. My guild don't do the DPS that Woz's guild does though so life may be alot differant for him.
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