AA STUDY... Interesting results

NANEEJE · 03-01-2008, 02:25 AM

27% of of you are that i studied are using end line strength.
57% are using divine aura.
a few are using reflect.
a few are using agi end line
about 15% are using wis end line.

not many of you are using the agi line,
over 90% are using int,sta at a minimum.
So...
I wanted to pass to all the paladins out there posing the same damn question i have had to ask many times....
" hi guys... so what are you using for aa lines in ROK?"
well thats a damn good question, and what I'm learning is that your aa build is completely and totally tailored to how you play your Paladin. What I am learning is that our class is so diverse that you can play it so many different ways the build is up to you, but I will say this:
1). stamina 4,4,8 and int, 4,4,8 crusader line at a minimum... just lock in those numbers if you want your spells and melee to crit as much as you can with your base... meaning your aa upgrades.

2). HERO AND WRATH, the Paladin line, definitely get your blocking mastery and smite evil.. there are very few Paladins who are not using these two lines to the end.

Ok, with that said, I have found it interesting that the ones who say your main tanking raids are following certain lines, half of you that say you main tank are in the str, other half is in the wisdom line. Why? well that's the point of this post, instead of talking details, i dont want to hear crap about how good you parse with your build, cause we can all see your numbers on the profiles, I want to hear why you parse good, do you average over 1,000?
case in point, I am just getting into t8 gear, i am slowly replacing my mc gear with ravaged onslaught, and so forth, and as i replace each peice of gear i see my average go up, I am at about 5-600 ? I also fill a role of a back up healer a lot, which takes away from my parse, but Glerin, who is on Antonia Bayle with me, has his soulfire gladius, his epic, and some shit hot gear, and he wiped me clean with a 1,100 average. As I learn how to main tank more, ( flame this if you want), but how in the world are you guys who claim your parsing 1.5 - 2k soloing, just how are you really doing it, or are you raid buffed, and just full of shit. Honest to good ness average, using act, hitting the all encounters function and getting a zone wide parse, (5-600 for me), just who is parsing 1.5 to 2k? I really want to look at your gear, and your aa build. It will greatly help me, in my studying our class.

boli · 03-01-2008, 04:58 AM

I took str all the way to the end and I average 1.2-1.6k when tanking on single mobs and I never have a single bit of trouble holding agro against 50k raid parses or survivibility. I tank all the time in Defensive stance. My theory: if I can hold agro in defensive I might as well be nice to my healers me getting hit two times less a fight may not seem like much but its worth if when the mob is hitting you for 10k+

In EoF I was tanking in offensive all the time and looking at 2k+ parses and around 1.8k zonewide; but pallys arn't there to dps sure its nice to be able to cut loose sometimes but if it compromiseds raid survibilty by doing so its not worth it.

As for what I parse solo.... who gives a damn if the mob dies and you live that's all you need to worry about.

Stonestrong · 03-01-2008, 07:08 AM

Well alot of things will determine your zonewide on parses.
Group buffs, Gear, Mob Levels, AA Spec, and Casting Order to name a few.
I always go Offensive stance and unless Im tanking or offtanking I always use a 2 hander. Even with a sword and shield I expect and usually always put up at least a 2-2.5K zonewide. If I can use 2 hander and don't have to tank its closer to 3K generally.

As far as parses while soloing, I really wouldn't know. Like Boli said, I also don't give a shit about my solo dps as long as I kill whatever im trying to kill.

Mahgnus · 03-01-2008, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NANEEJE

27% of of you are that i studied are using end line strength.
57% are using divine aura.
a few are using reflect.
a few are using agi end line
about 15% are using wis end line.

not many of you are using the agi line,
over 90% are using int,sta at a minimum.
So...
I wanted to pass to all the paladins out there posing the same damn question i have had to ask many times....
" hi guys... so what are you using for aa lines in ROK?"
well thats a damn good question, and what I'm learning is that your aa build is completely and totally tailored to how you play your Paladin. What I am learning is that our class is so diverse that you can play it so many different ways the build is up to you, but I will say this:
1). stamina 4,4,8 and int, 4,4,8 crusader line at a minimum... just lock in those numbers if you want your spells and melee to crit as much as you can with your base... meaning your aa upgrades.

2). HERO AND WRATH, the Paladin line, definitely get your blocking mastery and smite evil.. there are very few Paladins who are not using these two lines to the end.

Ok, with that said, I have found it interesting that the ones who say your main tanking raids are following certain lines, half of you that say you main tank are in the str, other half is in the wisdom line. Why? well that's the point of this post, instead of talking details, i dont want to hear crap about how good you parse with your build, cause we can all see your numbers on the profiles, I want to hear why you parse good, do you average over 1,000?
case in point, I am just getting into t8 gear, i am slowly replacing my mc gear with ravaged onslaught, and so forth, and as i replace each peice of gear i see my average go up, I am at about 5-600 ? I also fill a role of a back up healer a lot, which takes away from my parse, but Glerin, who is on Antonia Bayle with me, has his soulfire gladius, his epic, and some shit hot gear, and he wiped me clean with a 1,100 average. As I learn how to main tank more, ( flame this if you want), but how in the world are you guys who claim your parsing 1.5 - 2k soloing, just how are you really doing it, or are you raid buffed, and just full of shit. Honest to good ness average, using act, hitting the all encounters function and getting a zone wide parse, (5-600 for me), just who is parsing 1.5 to 2k? I really want to look at your gear, and your aa build. It will greatly help me, in my studying our class.

For shits and giggles i have never parsed what i do solo so i went out to the KJ and beat the shit out of the wall for awhile and this are some numbers i got.

Solo: Sword and Board
(00:45) 64469 | 1432.64 [Mahgnus-Refusal of Atonement-2390]
Mahgnus 64469 | 1432.64

Solo: 2H
(00:36) 71784 | 1994.00 [Mahgnus-crush-3575]
Mahgnus 71784 | 1994.00

As far what pallies do ZW in groups and raids, we useally don't get a chance to dps full time to see what we could get for a true ZW without us stoppin to tank. Group setup/buffs is the huge factor also not to mention you guilds RW dps. Thankfully SoE has Provided us with PR and CoA for just this purpose. For both of these zones i don't take of my 2h and just dps like hell and being it is mostly undead it makes for some pretty numbers. As far as gear mine isn't the greatest but it gets the job done for shit zones like these.

Group: CoA (combined 5 instance runs)
(02:01:00) 281940295 | 38834.75 [Hadriel-Fission-18773]
Mahgnus 24588825 | 3386.89

Raid: Protectors Realm (Merged last 5 runs - last name)
(51:40) 155523150 | 50168.76 [Guntharxx-Bolt of Ice-29604]
Mahgnus 11785450 | 3801.76

Group setup for 4/5 run in PR was Mystic, Inquis, Dirge, Zerker, Pally, Brigand.
Group the other time was Inquis, Zerker, Dirge, Pally, Aassassin, Brigand.

Thats just some numbers from me.

Fidelus · 03-01-2008, 08:35 AM

It's split on STR for some WIS for others because you don't need either one particularly to tank better.

As far as dps, that too is situational for these lines. STR will give you more dps on say, Selrach, where you are nonstop AOEing heroic adds. WIS will give you more dps on orange singles, like VP trash. 10% reuse/ casting recovery isn't gonna help much on a trash mob that is dying in 40 seconds, but it will help a ton on 6 minutes of anklebiter packs.

One thing to consider if you are snoopin on people's AA profiles...these AA mirrors make for some strange experimenting. I was checking some out a few days ago and saw alot of whacky shit.

Edited to add: You have melee crit, spell crit, wraths...the rest of your worries are just gear, masters, casting order and timing. If you have the those basic AAs, the rest of getting dps up lies elswewhere.

Mezelline · 03-01-2008, 12:44 PM

From the perspective a berserker-become-paladin, the paladin defensive stance is very poor. So when I got defensive, I use the level 1 defensive stance; because you still get the nice 15% bonus to mit, but you don't have to trade the massive amount of weapon skill for a rather small and not particularly useful gain in defensive skill.

I'm playing around with STR now as opposed to WIS and I've definitely seen a 10-20% increase in personal dps. Whether that gain is better than the groupwide dps gain by WIS remains to be seen, I'm holding my opinion until I get to the endgame.

Brodek · 03-01-2008, 01:37 PM

Mezelline your saying using the lvl 1 defense stance is better in your opinion to the lvl 73ish defense stance?

Mahgnus · 03-01-2008, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodek

Mezelline your saying using the lvl 1 defense stance is better in your opinion to the lvl 73ish defense stance?

Unless i really am gettin my shit pussed in, I use the lvl 1 stance also,

Red Wizard · 03-02-2008, 04:54 PM

Killer thread! Thanks for the info.

Mezelline · 03-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Brodek,

That is correct. I have no idea why paladins would use higher level defensive stances. Why?

1. WIS is pretty much useless for tanking
2. Paladins can get +defensive skill from their fighter avoidance buff
3. Defense skill is the weakest of all the avoidance skills
4. Defense skill is the easiest attainable avoidance stat in the game
5. Magic and Divine are the 2 easiest attainable resistances in the game
6. The level 4 paladin d-stance gives +15% mit without making you take a big weapon skill penalty. With melee hit rates in RoK what they are, this is a Bad Thing

Higher level d-stances are worth it for Berserker/Guardian because they get parry in addition to defense; but even then good zerkers/guards stay in offensive quite often to improve aggro control. I don't know why a Pal or SK would ever want to use the higher level versions of theirs, unless they really need to spike resists for a certain fight. However, I am still relatively new to the class, so if there's something I'm missing please let me know =)