Added worth to the Wis Line?

Kiljoi · 03-17-2008, 02:47 PM

Since people are missing more when attacking mobs in RoK, whats everyones thoughts on sacrificing some of our own dps (pulling points from INT and STR line) to buff up our group's skills with Aura of Leadership and gaining the fear immunity which also (unless im mistaken) gives our group 2%inc to wards/heals/nukes/melee damage. With a good amends target and HG + Sigil I dont think loosing our own dps will hurt agro too much if our group is more effective. Just a guess since I really haven't tried this yet.

I was thinkin about this while raiding Overking. With less healers then the MT (especially during fighting the twins) its all about survival and agro more then dps imho. (as OT anyways)

I'm still workin on gear so maybe with higher end gear this will all change anyways. Anyone have any thoughts?

Perenti · 03-17-2008, 09:07 PM

Hmm I have suggested this to my Guild but they arent keen atm, unless it provides a benefit on the DPS/Heal parse they want me as DPS/Patch heal when not tanking.

Does anyone have some stats on the difference max leadership does in a group? I know groups vary but anything is better than nothing.

The HP regen AA appears useless as the amount of damage recieved is far greater than the HP regen affect every 6 secs. I dont know why they put HP regen effects on gear either, unless its +100/tick (6 secs) and you have several of them its pointless.

Tharinor · 03-18-2008, 01:09 PM

The fear immunity and 2% increase is a pile of crap and wasted AA points. If you're having problems with fear, then your healers need to stop sucking.

Nailz · 03-18-2008, 02:26 PM

I used my AA mirror and tried three drifferent specs utilizing the Wisdom line. And imho they all sucked. No significant jump in DPS, I don't need the last ability because my healers don't suck. We missed the same amount vs. hitting the same amount. Just tell your raiders to stop sucking and debuff the mob and stop using apprentice one spells.

That whole WIS line needs to lookover, well actually every classes AA's need to be looked over honestly. We are all cookie cutter...

Fidelus · 03-18-2008, 02:46 PM

Been trying the WIS line and it really doesn't help the sucky hit rates on orange mobs much. The fear immunity is useful OTing on Druusk and I'll prolly keep a mirror spec for that mob.

The real junk in the line is the regen though.

The 2% is allright really. It does not seem to affect melee auto-attack damage at all. At least /weap numbers do not change. Adding 200 dps to a 10k group parse, 400 dps to a 20k grp parse would be very worthy, but it fails at doing that.

Fidelus · 03-18-2008, 02:49 PM

8 points in Combat Leadership yields anywhere from 10-15 dps for each member of your group btw. Double that on a mob that dies in less than a minute if you can cast it way before the pull and fire off a second time.

Mezelline · 03-18-2008, 07:50 PM

Problem with this is that even with insanely high weapon skills, melee classes are still missing mobs alot. And although the recent patch increased mob mitigation to spell damage, it didn't change the actual resist rate persay.

Perenti · 03-18-2008, 10:06 PM

In terms of Fear not all guilds have enough healers in their roster, so its not necessarilly that "your healers suck". My guild runs well balanced raids nearly all the time but sometimes not. However healers have to be really switched on for cures etc and if they arent you go south pretty fast.

Fear Immunity needs an extra edge as a final AA ability since good healers make it unnecessary, perhaps a stun or AE % resist on top of it? Also Leadership + skills needs to be replaced with something useful such as a mana regen. HP regen is useless unless they increase it by an order of magnitude (x10 times). 1000hp/6 secs is worth having as a group regen, not 100hp/6secs.

Ok so the wrap up is, even with maxxed +38 to skills it makes almost no difference to hit rate on orange mobs? And Fear Immunity isnt much advantage?

Alright then, that makes this a major issue for the devs to deal with, it loses us a niche that should be very useful is not only should you tank better against orange raid mobs with +38 skills and Fear Immunity but your whole group should do better. Or did they just give it to us because +ministration reduces mana cost on heals, back to the sword and symbol model again!

This sounds like the ROK epic proc all over again, sword and symbol class template!

Tharinor · 03-18-2008, 11:49 PM

Fear immunity is highly situational too. Keep that in mind. Plus, many times sure, you're immune, but everyone around you often isn't and they are still getting feared, so it's a minor advantage in these situations.

Kiljoi · 03-19-2008, 12:00 AM

I have no need for the fear really.. i was just asking if the 2% part was worth while? Healers have done a good job either way.

Seems to me if the aura of leadership isnt gonna help us miss less then its probably crap compared to the str line