Peterson

hi there paladins.

i'm a zerker in a causal 3 days a week raidguild and i have some questions about palas.

our pala is doing well (tanked everything up to first 2 vp nameds) but her dps is so crappy i can't belive.
b/c of that she has aggro issues sometimes and whines that the raid should not overdps ....

so i looked @ your board but thers no serius pala dps threat with act screenies so can someone post some or tell me some zw parses from PR, Kor'Sha, .....

also i'd like to know your aa specs.
for us zerks there's only one valid aa spec point!
do palas have more options or is there also only one imba raidpaly aa spec everyone should use?

Tharinor

It's going to depend heavily on gear and group. If you have a good coercer and dirge, the Paladin should be able to MT in a group of MT, 3 healers, coercer and dirge, amending either the coercer or dirge depending on who's generating more hate for the Paladin.

Either way, they should be able to do roughly the same amount of DPS as a Zerker or Guard in the same group which is going to be around 2k to 3.5K on non-jousting fights probably, depending on group, gear, and AA choices.

Sounds like this particular Paladin may have made some poor AA choices, or may simply be making poor gear selections. Or they may just be lazy. People don't need to worry about over-DPSing on most encounters if the tank is doing enough DPS and has a solid hate transfer (someone who DPS'es appropriately to transfer good hate) + hate gain mod from a dirge and preferably a good coercer too. There's only a couple of weird encounters where they might have to slow down DPS (Nexona for example after you're farmed out and doing heavy DPS, or Maestro in SoH during memblurs so that the tanks can lock it down easier perhaps).


Another way to look at it is this. If the Paladin isn't able to do enough DPS to strip aggro if they are OTing and amending someone, without hate buffs, then they probably need to work on their DPS. Many of us have to turn off all hate transfers and 3rd party hate gain while OTing or we hold more aggro than the MT, whether we're using a 2H or 1H.

Peterson

If she is MT she has Templer defiler warden dirge assa/swash/sorc.
She's well geared, so i think it must be the aa spec.
her dps is about 1/3 of mine.
All i know is she's fearimun.

Avanguardia

Fear immune blows balls unless your just learning Druushk or want to be lazy on VS other than that its a waste of AAs.

And ya i can never have amends on someone during trash and named where there arnt adds cause ill pull from out MT with trying and our Guard MT does usally 3 - 4.5k dps.

Dominiti

boli

Tell her to go to the respec mirror and have the fear immune one as a "option" but STR/STA/INT is the way to go.

As for the 3 healer idea... tbh loose it. Pally, Defiler, Templar, Chanter, Dirge, Transfer Is all you'll really need.

The chanter will not only buff you but also your transfer like crazy as well as doing great dps themselves. Stacked right she should just be able to sneeze and hold agro.

I've done 3 healer idea a few times; actually when I tanked dru I found the best person to amend was actually the defiler :P but on thw whole ... 2 healer MT group much better ESPECIALLY if you are havcing trouble with agro.

Nardaak

maybe its just me but there is not a paladin on your roster and you have a guard so hrm.

2ndly, if she cant hold aggro on a raid because of her dps i dont care what her aa spec is, she needs a new combat order and to learn who to amends and to stack hate buffs correctly. Play with ACT, practice new orders of chaining the spells/CAs with meeting all your auto attacks since that is a majority of a paladins DPS. Everyone has their own play style and frankly the AA setup isnt going to completely change someones aggro ability.

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Peterson

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this is our pala and she raids with us but is not in guild!
we have a guard, sk and me as zerk for tanking and why not let tank every tank from time to time cause the raidzones (t1-t3) are realy not that hart.

it's not that she never can hold aggro but it swithes more often than any other tank we have in same grp setup!
then i tried to find out what the prob is and saw that if shes mting she's only doing 1/3 of the damage other tanks do.
so i think that causes the aggro issues

Mahgnus

Well if you are only lettin her tank zones 1-3, then I would suggest Temp, Defiler, Dirge, Coercer, and Swashy/Assassin (Amends which ever scout is better.) Another thing is, if aggro is boucnin at the beginnin of some fights it's most likely her spell/ca order is barney as others have said. IE castin attacks with long cast timers to early into a fight.

One thing for certain tho, without a doubt a Paladins aggro is absolute. If you have a good Amends target that understands what is goin on and a group similar to what is listed above then the problems is commin from the player and not the class/buffs.

Imo if you srsly want her to get better you should persuade her to read, post, and ask questions here. For the most part this is one of the more newbie friendly forums on this site. All it can do is make her better.

Tharinor

She should be doing DPS comparable to other tank classes in the same group. 1/3 of the DPS of other tank classes in the same group = yes major problem and should be doing more DPS.