AA 's + Wisdom line - Page 2

Perenti · 06-10-2008, 02:31 AM

Well according to what I have been told (I havent been into VP yet, I am my Guilds only Pal and very much 3rd string after Guard/Zerk combo) boosting skills doesnt budge the parse in VP.

The points put into regen are regarded as wasted also. Basically the Wis line is considered a waste and I am told to concentrate on DPS and patch healing.

I do get used occasionally for second Tank in lower level zones but am not considered geared well enuff for VP (you need to get the gear, to get the gear) and there is no spot for a 3rd plate tank anyway.

If our Mythical epic or Wis AA had an OMG raid effect then it might give me some leverage, but they dont.

Bottom line, if I had the gear that Mad has I would probably think like him and do the same.

Stonestrong · 06-10-2008, 04:30 AM

FYI If you don't like the Fear Immunity cause you say the healer can cure it you are wrong. 99% of the time they are feared also, which makes it all that much more clutch. Plus you can call everyone else in the raid pussies for running around when you stand strong like a fucking stud.

I still agree the wisdom line sucks, but it does own for a few situations. I'm not saying its needed but it makes your joba lot easier. A couple come to mind right off the top of my head are...........

1. Venril Sathir
2. Druushk
3. Avatar of Fear

Nardaak · 06-10-2008, 08:09 AM

MB's Wisdom setup is very useful, personally even if i had the crits from gear that he has i would never use it for everything. I have close to that setup in my Mirror for situations like Stonestrong said.

Personally I love my heal crits, full sta line and trample too much. I keep 3 setups, and none use str line, the reuse time is bullshit it will never truly help you out imho, the only need for str line is if you do not have haste on raids or do not raid, i almost always have a illy and with self stuff im over haste cap and the hate gain, lol.

The fear immune is awesome for situations but the 2% and the loss of the other AAs for like hp regen will not make up for the other utility lost imho.

Tharinor · 06-10-2008, 12:19 PM

The problem with Trample is it has almost no use at all in RoK except a very few instances that make up the very small minority of raiding unless maybe you are farming Avatars on a consistent basis. It is nice for multiple encounter pulls in SoH which is easy to do since the trash is made up entirely of pussy mobs, but outside of that, the few encounters in game where you do see group encounters, most of them are made up of one epic that takes time to kill and 1 or more squish mob that often die by the time you get a chance for your 2nd or 3rd autoattack to go off with a 2H.

Like I said, highly depends on your gear, group, etc. I personally have enough gear without haste that in the very few instances I am a group with an illy, I can switch in something with melee crit or DPS mod on it. Usually, however, I am sitting under the haste soft cap, so STR line makes much more sense than the AGI line or Wisdom line.

Lastly, anyone who tells you that skill mods don't matter in VP and/or other RoK raid zones is full of it. I miss mobs with my autoattacks far more frequently at 470 slashing skill than I do at 517 slashing skill, and it has a tendency to drop my DPS several hundred points. You're always going to miss some (that's where DA is nice and makes up for the misses) but my experience is that skill buffs still matter quite a bit for autoattacks at least.

Geekyone · 06-11-2008, 01:02 AM

Agi 8, 4, 4, 8
Sta 8, 4, 6, 8, 1
Int 4, 4, 8

Madb · 06-11-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonestrong

FYI If you don't like the Fear Immunity cause you say the healer can cure it you are wrong. 99% of the time they are feared also, which makes it all that much more clutch. Plus you can call everyone else in the raid pussies for running around when you stand strong like a fucking stud.

I still agree the wisdom line sucks, but it does own for a few situations. I'm not saying its needed but it makes your joba lot easier. A couple come to mind right off the top of my head are...........

1. Venril Sathir
2. Druushk
3. Avatar of Fear

ADD BYZOLA TO THE LIST!!!!

I did SoH with my guild on my monk only took 1 pull of being feared everytime i hit his ass (reactive fear damage shield omg) for me to log back to the pally.

oh I forgot, I tank Avatar of Storms as well(cuz he fears), my spec at the beginning of the thread just pwns his 20 little shittlings of adds. It's like having Troops of Doom showing up for a 20 v 1 duel and me just a/e auto attacking them down while tanking the avatar.

marcusavalon · 06-11-2008, 04:00 AM

Somthing to think about, my guild (were not all gods on here) has just reached VP which is pretty good for a casual guild. I dont have a full set of Paladin class armour etc and i have yet to get my Mythical I assume as the mythical has a proc thats based on 50% of wiz that wiz line is a plus anyway. I know most people say that the Mythical sucks but you gotta play with the hand your dealt.

Personally I have found when playing around with AA'a that they dont make huge differances to my personal DPS its more to do with the group your in. If you have the right set up good DPS poor set up poor DPS.

I cant parse consistantly anywhere near 3500 and depending on the raid will get about 2300 zone wide on a good raid most of the time my off tank group set up sucks but thats what u have to live with in casual guilds.

Madb · 06-13-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by marcusavalon

Somthing to think about, my guild (were not all gods on here) has just reached VP which is pretty good for a casual guild. I dont have a full set of Paladin class armour etc and i have yet to get my Mythical I assume as the mythical has a proc thats based on 50% of wiz that wiz line is a plus anyway. I know most people say that the Mythical sucks but you gotta play with the hand your dealt.

Personally I have found when playing around with AA'a that they dont make huge differances to my personal DPS its more to do with the group your in. If you have the right set up good DPS poor set up poor DPS.

I cant parse consistantly anywhere near 3500 and depending on the raid will get about 2300 zone wide on a good raid most of the time my off tank group set up sucks but thats what u have to live with in casual guilds.

this is my 3rd attempt at this, (back keys and other dumb shit) ok, that 2300 is decent DPS, nothing to be ashamed of there. The mythical is still gonna be the best 1 hander for dps cuz it hits so hard. The increase to WIS from the wis line isnt going to make a difference (well, nothing you'll notice). I agree with your statement about AA and DPS, seems like anyway you assign points you're gonna be real close to your max. Pretty much the point of the post was to say: Hey you can keep your DPS about the same and benefit your group a tiny bit! Im going out on a limb here, but I'd gamble fearless morale offers more dps for the group than Call to Redemtion (Undead or not). Swash grouped with me in PR Call to Redemption was .75% z/w dps .......... SUCK!

Kiljoi · 06-16-2008, 02:09 AM

Alright so I'm trying this gd wis line again.. dusted off the mirror and all.
Zone into VP and my DPS isnt down like I thought it would, and dps of my group seemed slightly better. In fact, my dps was pretty good at times.. now I dunno if its the fact that im timing things better without the str or what but I'm liking it so far... kinda odd. Like I said, i'll have to keep going back and forth and watch numbers but the spec was good for me.

Wozamil · 06-16-2008, 09:25 AM

What the hell did they do in T8 that made this a decent spec???? This would not have been acceptable in T7. Well, not for me anyways. My personal DPS at the time had a larger increase than the collective group DPS gain with the WIS line.

Glad to hear it has some merit finally. The only problem I had back in the day was as good as the 2% (think it was 1% at one time) sounds, there was always another class that could give more to the group.