Pinski

Haste is useless due to raid-wide Chime up 100% of the time, AE Auto-Attack is useless due to there be very, very few group mobs, thus allowing you to spec STA/WIS/INT in a raiding situation outside of Avatars.

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Red Wizard

I've also found haste to be useless. Our personal haste that is. Even with the Str line and a haste item and a MC agi ring. Too many variables, it just ruins my timing. But I've also had to switch from Nathsar SS to a MC SS to make up for this. It actually increased my woeful (I fail at dps) dps by 30%.

I spec'd Wis line and hoped for amazing results. The +38 to slashing was a bit of a let down. Last time I was in on a Dominus kill, I was still missing 20% of the time it seemed. Even with 440 slashing or so. Would that be how the mob is coded or my MC weapon?

I need to finish my fabled epic. 4.0 delay would be perfect. The MC weapon is 3.0 but was a huge improvement of the Nathsar's 6.0.

Thats it! I'm getting divorced, abandoning the kid, purposely getting fired at work, collecting unemployment, selling meth on the side, and possibly using meth to stay awake. I'll be able to pwn shit on this game again! Bah! screw it. Casual player ftw? :*(

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I'm using the MadB spec as my DPS (hah) spec. For tanking Domini I spec'd almost status quo, removing the Str line and replacing it with the Wis line. You still have DA, extra HP, and 3 in heal crits. I didn't max out the health regen. Works well for me but, I don't do much heavy lifting these days.

Tharinor

Like I said, it'll depend on your situation. For me, Chime isn't up 100% of the time. When it is, I'm sitting just over 125 haste with my temp buff up, and when it's not, I'm sitting under 125 haste with it up, so it's useful.

As for my skills, with a dirge in group I'm at 517 in offensive stance, so another skill buff gets wasted.

Once the above changes, then I'll have to figure out something new with my AAs, but for now, I'm having no problem with DPS, holding aggro, or staying alive.

Madb

found another use for Wisdom line and even cure / heal spec: Tangrin

Galavant

I can definitely tell the difference between hit / resist rates with combat leadership and without. I tried specing out of WIS just to see what would happen and it felt like I was trying to hit red mobs, so I immediately switched back.

I agree with Madb, the WIS line is leet; though personally I can live without fearless morale and I don't feel like my gear is good enough to justify taking points out of crits or senty's bulwark. If I really need fear immunity for some reason I can just load it from my mirror.

If I were farming avatars I would probably use the same spec as Madb, but as far as heroic and epic instances in RoK are concerned I really don't think trample is worth the points, so I went 448 STR.

In my experience 448 STR WIS INT 4485 STA is the best spec for paladins that can't kill avatars. You might be able to eek out a few more dps with trample in specific situations (SoH / OK), but not enough to make it worth missing out on haste or heal crits.

Speaking of heal crits, I know Nardaak loves his heal crits and I can understand why. If you have multiple dirges to perma-CoB you and you only care about raiding, heal crits would be a better option than haste (along with with 5 points in ward recast), and without passive haste the STR line is pretty pointless imo, so if you're of the heal crit mindset fearless morale goes hand in hand.

In the end, I can't think of a spec that makes sense in RoK without the WIS line. That shit = teh win!

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Tharinor

If you're at the skill cap, then WIS line is just as useless as you think the STR line is if you're near the haste soft cap.

Madb

there is no real hardcap is there? anyone have a magic number cuz shoot, I feel like I do more dps when i have 1200 str vs 800. pretty sure 800 str would be way over the softcap idk.

Tharinor

I was talking about skill caps (slashing, crushing, etc.) specifically but as I understand it for stats (STR/STA/AGI/INT/WIS):

7 x level for soft cap (560)
10 x level for diminishing (800)
15 x level for hard cap (1200)

For skills (slashing, crushing, piercing, ranged, ordination, disruption, ministration, etc.) 520 is the hard cap. I'm hitting 517 when I am in a solid OT group with dirge, so wisdom line doesn't offer me anything all that useful. Problem right now is our 2nd dirge just got out of the hospital, so maybe it's worth it for now, lol.

Glacien

I recently went with a similar spec to what Madbiker has minus the agi line for the time being at least and it really is working out nicely so far. The fear immunity is def nice on Byzola and it does seem to have helped hit rate. Used to be with the str line spec i could spike for nice parses but not as consistent as this spec it seems. That plus i am still capping dps and haste without str. While the 350 haste and 250 dps mod was nice to look at with str line sadly it was just a lot of waste. lol

Layra

Have been trying out WIS spec instead of STR. All in all it works out pretty well, fairly consistent DPS dropped a notch compared to having the full STR line but not enough to worry about. Rest of the group love the +skills so handy all round. Certainly worth it at the top end.

Couple of recent gear aquisitions will probably make me drop some melee crits in favour of something else, possibly HP or more AE auto.

From playing an Illusionist before it's actually nice to have an AA tree were you can play around with it.

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