AA 's + Wisdom line

Madb · 06-09-2008, 05:08 AM

Im reading some of the old posts about AA's and most of us seem to agree on one thing, WIS line is shitty. It's taken me a while to find the right mix of points here and there, but I think I've got something you all may want to consider. Remember this may only benefit high-end players with VP set gear or some nice SoH stuff even.

Str line, why I dont use it. The fast casting is nice, but honestly with a bard I hardly tell the difference ( maybe the first ten minutes after spec'ing out of str). Haste. I prefer high delays so I can nail 2 CA's or spells between auto attacks. I really dont need the hate gain with Traks shield or when using a 2 hander.

Agi line, Why I am using it. 4-4-8 Standard deal here, group instances, avatars and SoH trah (4-6 encounters at and time in soh).

Sta line, 4-4-5-2 I can live with 64 melee crit (anything over 50 is good), I few points in HP no DA

Wis line , 4-4-8-6-2 Standard points here, but I'll tell you why I like it. Battle leadership, we have no increase to range, with this group buff, we are afforded the ability to increase our offense just like guardians; all this stuff only benfits us and our group(I think it is leet). Fearless morale: if you have guildies who break down parses and study the little details they will all tell you how much they love this buff dps and healers alike.

Int 4-4-6 The all important spell crit!

With this spec, I tank avatars when needed, I off tank adds when needed and do lots of amazzing shit in instances (like that matters) average VP parses are in the 3k+ range with an occasional 4k, while SoH trash can see @ 5k. And just think fear immunity on Byzola pwns!!!

Give it a try for a week or 2 see how it goes, but try to keep your spell crits above 60 and melee crits above 50(sorry non-raiders) I've been using this same spec for about 6 weeks, my group loves it and it has worked out well for my role with my guild (offtank/dps).

Stonestrong · 06-09-2008, 05:24 AM

I have a similar spec on my mirror but I couldn't personally use it full time. The Fear immunity it great when you need it but I still think the rest of the Wisdom Line is ass. I just cant get away from the end ability on the strength line and Divine Aura. I know Divine Aura is flawed, but its better than nothing, and thats the only other option.......

Vainamoinen · 06-09-2008, 11:46 AM

Anyone that has the nuts to try the WIS line and make it work gets my vote!

Perenti · 06-09-2008, 11:57 AM

First, thanks for bringing this up

Hmm you say the Wis AA line helps with buffing the group?

When I asked some time ago whether the increase in skills points helped the groups heal/dam etc I was told that on orange mobs it was nerfed = no point to having it.

Also the regen is pointless as it makes no real diff in a raid or if getting decent damage.

My guild tells me that Fearless is useless as healers are supposed to cure it fast enuff for it not to matter.

Net result = its a useless AA line.

For the very best VP equipped Pals that may be different but for 99% of us it should be useful, and it doesnt seem to be unless you are killing lower than orange group content.

Since I often dont have a perfect group I go for haste and fast cast AA and the other lines that boost DPS.

I would like SOE to fix our "Oh Shit" spells also, if Guards had a problem with theirs it would get fixed in a second.

Kiljoi · 06-09-2008, 12:34 PM

I'd have to echo Perenti on this one. I'm just now in VP and yes the Fear Immunity is nice. I have gone back and forth between these two specs and I seem to do best with the long running champ of paly specs Str/Sta/Int.

With VP Set tho I could definitly see going wis, but as Perenti just stated... wasnt those group buffs deemed minimal at best?

Madb · 06-09-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiljoi

I'd have to echo Perenti on this one. I'm just now in VP and yes the Fear Immunity is nice. I have gone back and forth between these two specs and I seem to do best with the long running champ of paly specs Str/Sta/Int.

With VP Set tho I could definitly see going wis, but as Perenti just stated... wasnt those group buffs deemed minimal at best?

ok, let me try this again; In my current gear with "standard" Pally / crusader aa spec, Im at 90+ spell crit and 70+ melee crit. First off I want everyone to throw out 2 things from this line, wipe these out of you head for a minute, the HP regen and fear immunity. Ok, now re-think what you're saying about +38 to disruption, ranged and slashing/crushing pierce etc. When I'm sitting in defensive stance, this buff pwns (I dont bother using the level 4 or 8 or whatever stance it is some people use). Now, drop down to fearless morale (STILL IGNORING FEAR IMMUNITY). look at it like this + 2 % melee and spell damage:

Me 3300dps +2% = 66dps
bruiser 4500dps +2% = 90dps
swash 6500dps +2% = 130dps
dirge 3000dps +2% = 60dps
(these are RAW numbers, I'm not striving for exact accuracy, more ballparkish)

Ignore my mystic and templar cuz I hardly keep track of their dps or HPS. You are looking at a buff that adds 300-400 dps to a raid that cant be parsed in ACT. Now the reason we all hate it because it is shared among the group, but if we could get credit for a buff that gives us 300+ dps we would all fuck a wet sock over it. This buff gives 1/4th of your raid 2% more of what it takes to be successful in raids, whether it is heals spells or melee damage, oh and now add in the fact it makes you immune to fear.

Thanks

Pinski · 06-09-2008, 02:41 PM

Pro-tip, auto-attack DPS isn't affected by that 2%.

boli · 06-09-2008, 02:55 PM

I used to think the WIS line had some merit (448 for battle leadership that is) then I just toggled on offensive stance and realised that in the long run it makes NO difference and in fact the only thing useful about the WIS line is the end ability...

24 points for something the healers shoudl cure ASAP?

No Thanks.

Kiljoi · 06-09-2008, 03:10 PM

If I were at those percentages for melee and spell crit I could definately see going with this spec. Which is why I said if I were in your gear, it would seem to be a worth spec.

However, for those of us not geared out yet, myself included, I find that I need the extra spell and melee crit.

The 448 in Agi line isnt of use atm (not pulling avatars atm and other mobs up to and including druushk at least it hasnt been needed). Those points are better spent for me, at my current state better serve the str/stam line.

So for those of us not in top notch gear see more benefit in the str/stam/int lines than in the wis line.

Basically I'm agreeing with you Mad just in a case by case basis which you stated yourself lol.

*Continues to blah blah while stuck at work*

Tharinor · 06-09-2008, 06:13 PM

I typically fill a DPS/OT role and MT when needed which isn't very often. That said, 99.9% of my time is probably in offensive stance, and between that and my usual group setup, I am sitting at about 517 slashing, just below the 520 cap. That said, wis line has no use for me, especially considering I have no need for fear immunity atm.

As for the 2% increase to all that other jazz, you have to weight the gains vs the losses here. How much DPS do you lose vs what you gain? Healers probably like the extra 2% for their own uses but it's such a small amount I just don't seeing it being a deal maker.

A lot of what you choose for AAs will depend upon your role and your typical group setup, maybe your gear a little bit, but IMO, the STR/STA/INT choice is the best all around choice for all roles and groups. You're going to have good DPS this way, good aggro control, and good survivability.