Tharinor

Yeah, it takes time but this is a step in the right direction. Several of us were suggesting they add hate to heals back during beta when we realized that heals were going to see more frequent use in TSO. I'm retired but I'm glad they are at least taking some steps in the right direction.

What is often lost on people regarding the hate issues was that AE aggro tanks were going to be able to hold aggro just as well if not better on single targets than the Paladin/Guardian because of the fact that they could use their taunts as much as Paladins/Guards and for the same threat values, roughly, if not more.

Increasing the rate at which single-target tanks can use their taunts is certainly a step in the right direction also.

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Stonestrong

Small victory, I'm not very impressed SOE........

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boli

Tho I was running the numbers on test... and whilst it seems a general consensus that heals are a 1:2 ratio i.e. 2 points of heal = 1 point of hate... since ours is trippling it would mean any heal we cast woudl be 1.5x in threat on the displayed numbers.

This got me thinking and I lokoed at our group heal... we can cast it at 0.75s and speced out its 1.2-1.5k that's 1.8k-2.25k threat pre crit... so call it 2k-2.8k taunt OFF EACH GROUP MEMBER.. so *if* we can cast it when we get an AoE of sorts (I always try to anyways).. that is a significant taunt... 18k actually and against all the mobs who are damaging you/your grup... in fact looking at it like that you're looking at a 18k blue AoE taunt. Heals on live still generate threat but the equivlent on live would be a 6k blue taunt instead.

Now I'm not saying this hate on heals is fixing *everything* ... but it is certainly a step in the right direction... tho I for one would love to see the cast time on our ward brought down to 1s base.. 2s is just a shade too long especially considering the rest of our abilities are fast casting thse days.

So I would encourage everyone to log onto that hated test server and start a /feedback.

"Paladin ward line should have its cast time reduced to better match our other heals; 1.5s or even 1s would be perfect; and allow the paladin to better make use of perhaps their most defining spell."

Also... I would prefer that the EoF enhancement of the ward should increase the hate given to the caster to a SIGNIFICANT degree instead of reduced recast. i.e. 50% more hate giving us 4.5x the base value... or a equivilent threat value of 4.5k every time we cast it and it is used. which is similar in line to our "kick" or "shield bash" line. so we loose "nothing" when we cast a ward instead of a CA. and trade surivability for dps (as every good tank should) but not at the expense of holding agro.

Tho the second paragraph is just my wish which many may not agree upon... but I think we all united with the first sentence.

Glerin

i still think all our heals should be wards to help with anti spikes better

Speedycat

I did not notice any Threat increase using heals today. I was with a Guardian and had him take aggro. While he had aggro the threat meter was at 52, I used 2 heals and did not increase the threat on the meter at all. Also, it doesn't state anything on the heals about threat increase.

boli

Casting heals STILL is less hate than hitting a single CA/ especially ones with a taunt effect upon. Casting group heals however if they are NEEDED does change it... tho only slightly.... but at least it does not lower our hate as much as before as it used to.

Kiljoi

well since they are raping us of our class defining "amends". They really should make those heals a more integral part of our tanking. Shorten the cast and recasts, inc hate on heals with aa etc etc.

i've been logging in to test, even if just for a few moments and using /feedback to communicate this along with a request to make restitution a shorter recast.

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EQ - Blitzgore of Tarew Marr - retired

EQII - Kiljoi of Blackburrow - on hiatus

Madb

I am offended by this statement plese re-word it to read, they are raping "insertyournamehere" and not "us", I in no way agree the class was defined by amends, that's bullshit.

Vulkan

Latest news... Divine Favor had its stiffle removed, and added negates the next 2 attacks. I guess this means its now an oh shit ability that is on u untill the shit hits the fan, then u cant cast it for a while.. it should still be nice tho..

Stonestrong

Can you post a picture of an examine from test if you have 1?

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