For Legendary(some fabled) geared Paladins Amends isn't always the answer - Page 2

Stonestrong · 02-02-2009, 03:18 PM

I would never consider using the cure as an effective aggro tool, only as a cure. I guess everyone has their own way of doing things but I have play tested just about every combination imaginable and the method i gave is what works best for me. Considering I have tanked every single set of adds encounter in the game since KOS and everything in the game currently killable I would say that this method is pretty efficient and would assume alot of others use the same shit as I do.....

boli · 02-02-2009, 03:32 PM

Oh yeah I'm not saying that its perfect; but when you are hit by a load of mobs and you cure its actually a blue AoE taunt as well... which is nice to know

... tbh I prefer to use castigate in that situation tho :P I only mentioend it for completeness sake

Vainamoinen · 02-02-2009, 06:37 PM

Swapping amends around for specific encounters, using saves (rescue, sneering assault, consecration + HG, etc...), pulling with verdict + excoriation, Sigil at onset of encounter, end-line cure (I will use castigate when its up, but cure whenver I can if aggro is an issue). There are a shit tonne of options. My only problem, usually, comes when I'm running to the fridge for a beer or shouting obscenities in channel and not paying attention.

Tantrin · 02-02-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonestrong

Wrong

While trample is very usefull it is not the best tool for locking down large sets of adds. Trample can only hit up to 4 mobs at a time and they have to be semi decently positioned. Most of the group encounters in TSO (heroic instances) have alot more than 4 mobs. Your best bet for getting aggro on all the mobs at once is Holy Ground + Verdict, Doom Rays, Circle of Conviction, or Smite Evil. These all hit up to 8 mobs at once and the mobs don't have to be on top of each other, like they do for trample.

Not wrong.

Most of the multi mob encounters in TSO do not have a lot more then 4 adds.
Also, as I noted in the above scenario, no other AOE dps or hate generators in the group.
I also assumed that the standard CA/Spells would be utilized as well. Its kinda implied that on a multi mob encounter you'd use AOE spells, no? I only added trample as its a choice a player can make.

So, I maintain that if you're using your standard set of spells/cas and are running trample, you can easily hold aggro in a group that doesn't contain a sorc, swash, or other AoE dps class.

Stonestrong · 02-02-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tantrin

For multi mob heroic encounters, trample will provide all the aggro management you need if you don't have a sorc/swash or other multi-mob amends target.

This is what you said and you were wrong. Trample is not all you need if you don't have aoe amends target.

Tantrin · 02-02-2009, 07:56 PM

Don't be a dick. I didn't say you don't have to taunt either, but its pretty fucking self explanatory.

Stonestrong · 02-02-2009, 08:11 PM

Well you are saying that you didn't feel the need to say Aoes are usefull on mutli mob encounters but you are saying Trample is? As opposed to Trample on single targets?
I'm not trying to be a dick I just don't understand your logic in your post.....

Oizen · 02-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Is this sexual tension or did you guys already bone and this is breakup bitterness?

Jeal · 02-03-2009, 02:46 AM

yay stonestrong i agree.. I AGREE

Scayre · 02-03-2009, 02:49 AM

AOEs are useful for multimob encounters. But when you are grouped with a ton of aoe'rs in this game as it currently exists, Amends does not control aggro; unless you have as your amends target a shit-hot AE dpser that is always awake and frosty. Non-Myth group amends works fine, but for a Myth group, that isn't well designed, amends is not enough. Again this is from the prospective of a non-raiding legendary (+) geared tank.