Jeal

we're not a "utility tank" we just happen to be versatile.. we DO parse very close to what an sk will and our defense is better for overall damage.. however sk's have better spike prevention.. with a stonewall fix.. this could be a little more in line :/

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Lyricalstorm

Maybe Im missing something or only seen sub-par paladins btu Ive never seen a pally come close to a SK...IDK...Id like to see the parse where the pally came close to a sk.

Stonestrong

You play with shitty paladins........

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Maergoth

QFE, this is the problem with our class.

Also note: Coupled with Death March, Sacrament blows holy ground to pieces. Death march is AOE aggro with no target limit since it's a buff., holy ground is limited to what we can hit. Not only do we need to NOT get resisted by everything, but if we want to snag mobs up instantly.. we need to be within range of everything and either verdict or consecrate.

Another problem that brings up is, your sacrament is triggered by more than just you. If we want to lock something down with holy ground (It doesn't give any hate at all, just positions) we need to dot it as much as possible and just whack at it.

The thing that bugs me is, you guys got bloodletter as your level 80 ability.. unrivaled antideath as far as I can see and quite class defining. We got holy ground, which was nearly stomped to dust by a midlevel ability that was over-boosted for being too weak.

Boost our mid-level mediocre ability to rival that of bloodletter and I'd consider it a balanced trade off.. but I don't think we need it.

Our class is fine minus some minor problems. A better application for our last 20 AAs would work wonders.

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Druuna

any SK who casts Death March and Grave Sacrament at the same time, needs to re-roll...

Maergoth

Druuna, I was referring to the ability to use them in succession if need be. Between death march and sacrament, almost all aspects of aggro are covered in any situation. Not only do you end up with a huge amount of AoE hate from deathmarch, but you also get the positional advantage with sacrament.

No other tank is capable of locking down multiple memwiping adds like a SK can right now.

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Druuna

the hate death march provides, is very nil when it comes to longer fights, you're lucky if it lasts 10 seconds, but since we are aggro whores anyway, it doesnt really matter tbh...

Kiljoi

just to be clear...
I am in no way saying Paladins are not capable of owning their position in the raid and getting the job done in excellent fashion. After all, I'm still a paladin.

if seen different guilds use zerks, guards, paladins, and sk's with great success... good players get shit done period.

I'd like to see the stun removed and our block made more viable to surviving spike damage is all. We all have our opinion on what balanced means.

ty stone for clearing up the differences between spells for those that are unaware.

I love HG.. and love it even more with the reuse aa points.

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EQ - Blitzgore of Tarew Marr - retired

EQII - Kiljoi of Blackburrow - on hiatus

Kiljoi

aggro whores for 30s when GS is running

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EQ - Blitzgore of Tarew Marr - retired

EQII - Kiljoi of Blackburrow - on hiatus

Exco

You all suck at playing a pally, if you think something is wrong with them Stonestrong pwns you ALL