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    OK, I've been playing around with this; So far one major downside; but one unexpected up-side.


    Upside

    In testing (although hard to replicate outside of a raid) in reducing all damage to 0% we actually seem to be ignoring all of the effects such as power drains / DoTs and all the fun things. I cannot confirm it right now until I fight a mob I know; but it seems to act as an infinite trigger stone-skin for 4s. If this is true this is an AWESOME thing.

    It is unclear in the decription if this is a damage reduction (although at 100%) or a stoneskin. Initially I believed the former but now I am more hopeful on the latter.

    Can anyone else confirm this? until I know the new raid encounters I can't really double-check this; unless my guild decides to kill a mob I know where a Stoneskin is a better alternative than a DR or a death-prevent.


    Downside

    The actual damage of the reflect is bad... shockingly bad; which is translated to the "damage triggers" given to the group. as before not had chance to experiment fully but first Shard of Hate mob which hits for ~20k damage ticks focus damage led to a damage trigger of.... around 700.

    If this lack of damage relates to the raid encounters also at least it'll allow me to drop the 3 points out of the damage trigger and go for the increased health from Stamina.




    How are everyone else's experiences with Faith so far? Ideally in a raid setting. Tonight I am going to be doing some full ACT parses in a raid to check this. I just hope I have the opportunity (e.g. red messages) in order to work it out.

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    Oh and to get the obligatory joke out of the way: I'm quite a big fan of Islam; they make the best curries.

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    Did I miss something with the Islam curry?

    Great stuff Curry is.
    Just checked my parse from last night and I seem to have a few that hit for 2.3k, but average for me was 845 it appears, but that's just a duo, not a full group. Not sure if it increases with more people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NANEEJE View Post
    Just checked my parse from last night and I seem to have a few that hit for 2.3k, but average for me was 845 it appears, but that's just a duo, not a full group. Not sure if it increases with more people.
    That is pretty much what I am getting; with the 10m range restriction the damage triggers for the group could end up next to useless.

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    I noticed you had 3 in arbiter of justice. Good idea, I need to swap to that. Where are you putting your extra points? I was thinking back to Field Commander because the group addition to dps was over 3% in groups last expansion. Need to test it this expansion, but do you think the single target ward after heal will be useful? Meaning if I holy Aid and Arch Heal myself will it attach a ward to myself?
    Tell you what, I had no merc, and actually solo'd the triple up yellow con, the horde king in the pits in Obol Plains. I used everything I had in my inventory, every heal, every ward, but... when I healed myself with divine sacrament, holy aid, and arch heal, I had about 10 seconds of no damage and was able to dps a lot. I need to do that mob again with ACT up so I can see what was keeping me alive. What procs.
    No reason we should be able to solo triple up's but it was fun!
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    I put mine in the DR proc from being healed, my self heals plus priest in group means its up for 10s every 20s at every possible trigger. its only a 5% DR but that's vs ALL damage and not just physical.

    Although I speced to be as defensive as possible; so most the most "well rounded" spec will be one point in each of the other abilities.

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    For testing if it blocks all effects, just use the death touch skeleton in PR. It's like 110% health and power drain. If you want to see if it's also somehow blocking control effects, just try it on the fear skeleton without wisdom endline.

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    It's 100% damage reduction. Meaning, unless you have something on you that increases incoming damage by a percentage (Only recklessness does this), you're completely immune to all damage for 4s. It doesn't block control effects, but because mana drains have been flagged as damage in the past, it's possible that it still blocks them.

    The reflect amount IS low, but it's pretty well balanced. MAKE SURE YOU INTERCEPT THE MAIN TANK AT THE PERFECT TIME TO SOAK DOUBLE DAMAGE. It DOES get counted!

    On some of these new fights, I've had the ability do around 20k DPS total. Between 5% and 10% of my parse. That's NOT selectively eating failure effects, however.

    The actual reflect on Faith tends to be fairly low. It can't crit. Taking ONLY Faith and none of the supporting prestiges is basically the defensive option. The only time you would do this is IF you have taken something on the right side, or double conversions. Which would make up for the lack of damage from Faith.


    The supporting prestiges for Faith ramp up the usefulness of the ability.

    The group reflect is actually really powerful, and all the damage is attributed to you, AND is modifiable. This ends up being the largest portion of damage on YOUR parse.

    The 3 trigger damage application ends up being pretty good damage, and when added up from the group, is the most significant damage output of the ability.

    Total, it's still slightly less damage than the right side even IF used ideally every time it's up for offensive purposes. The right side provides consistent damage without too much work, and much better AOE capabilities.

    It's important to remember that the Faith line is the defensive line, and most of the damage is icing on the cake.
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    Default Re: Faith Discussion

    I've had a damage proc of 140k and a reflect of 700k although they were the exceptions; I have a feeling I died then.

    The damage may be the icing on the cake but the zonewide DPS is pretty low espcially for the triggers my biggets worry is the triggers will never be poerful enough and swapping the points into health may be the way to go.

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    Zonewides are meaningless.

    I had it do a total of 30m damage on hardmode monkey tonight.

    It's a reflect, it's situationally offensive and defensive. If you want the consistent dps, go down the right side.
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