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    Default Re: Basic Paladin's Guide to Success

    The ultimate irony of Recklessness if that it was originally implemented to provide necessary extra tanks with a role between names in PoW.

    Now PoW--the only zone where raids still run with 3-4 tanks--is the single most dangerous zone in which to use it, thanks to all of the PBAE's.

    Conversely, it can still be used in faceroll zones, where all of the complaining originally began by bad dps'ers who were found out in the process.
    Last edited by Kairos; 12-10-2012 at 01:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boli View Post
    Its do-able to tank/DPS in reckless in raids but your healers need to know in advance (and some refuse to heal you) and you NEED to cycle your damage preventions in order to survive the trash AoEs.

    Do-able? yes; I would not recomend it unless you knew EXACTLY what you were doing and even then AoEs from trash can still WTF pwn you on the floor.
    If your healers 'Refuse' to heal you when you are in reckless, then you need a new guild my friend. Also I wouldn't say it's that bad. I regularly solo heal our SK in PoW (obviously I love to DPS aswell, and am the top parsing priest in raids 99% of the time), and he stays reckless on all trash, and every single named in the zone. I mean if you are a crusader that doesn't know how to play, AND have a worthless healer, then I would advise against it. Otherwise, there is always a work around!


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    The only PoW trash that gets me in Reckless is boars. I have to be super careful on them. Also, we swarm pull plane of war.. so there's almost always boars involved:/ makes for nice parses though! Had like, a 700k zonewide or something ridiculous last time I was in there
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    Default Re: Basic Paladin's Guide to Success

    Actually that is kind of what gets me the most as well... multiple encounters mean at least one of them will be casting AoEs at one time or another; which can lead to random one-shots.

    This can lead you into arguments with your healers and/or group/raid leaders. Sadly this is one situation where you cannot call out: "suck it up and heal me bitches!" The stance polorises many mild-mannered players; as much as "Blood Thirsty Choker + Ring of Animosity" used to back in TSO.

    Yes it is extremely possible to heal a reckless tank; but many healers will take the view that on trash/easy mode they can slack as they work so hard on the HM and named and will simply let a reckless tank die and work on their own parse. After all its not as if tank's have a rough job on those fights as well they just stand around complaining about memwipes and get all loot for min dkp bids.

    I've been with and grouped with many types of healers... above all you need to TELL THEM what you are doing as if you annoy them they'll "forget" to cast a heal occasionally and blame it on reckless. What we can or cannot do on that stance is entirely dependent on your healers and their trust in you as a tank; a trust which has to be earned.

    What has/hasn't happened in my old/current guild/group/pickup I will never disclose. Just be warned there are as many opinions over reckless and tank DPS than you really want to think about so you need to discuss with your healers beforehand. I've tanked trash and EM named in reck+2hander sure - but in this case I feel its valid to offer the other side of the argument even if I do not particularly agree with it myself.
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    Default Re: Basic Paladin's Guide to Success

    Sigh... I still don't believe in reckless stance. I do use it, and when I get aggro, I just hit faith/stonewall/DA just to be sure and click off reckless, use lay of hands, and back in offensive.
    So, why bother, I just stick to offensive permanently, even on hardmode.
    Here is why...
    That's a lot of clicking... so much easier to just stay in offensive, keep aggro, lower the heal parse by half using the left side of the prestige line and walk out with phat loots on everyone but me. Cause tank shit don't drop when I am tanking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NANEEJE View Post
    Sigh... I still don't believe in reckless stance. I do use it, and when I get aggro, I just hit faith/stonewall/DA just to be sure and click off reckless, use lay of hands, and back in offensive.
    So, why bother, I just stick to offensive permanently, even on hardmode.
    Here is why...
    That's a lot of clicking... so much easier to just stay in offensive, keep aggro, lower the heal parse by half using the left side of the prestige line and walk out with phat loots on everyone but me. Cause tank shit don't drop when I am tanking.
    Agree with everything but the left side prestige part.

    Right side is the cat's ass.
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    After 8 years of dealing with ignorant as shit dps classes who have NO IDEA how much it fucking blows to tank for you retards...we deserve triple potency for trash mobs.
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    Default Re: Basic Paladin's Guide to Success

    Honestly. I don't see myself dropping left line. I might if i didn't tank anything difficult. But a stoneskin, and other stoneskin+reflect, and damage reduction is just too good to give up for another blue aoe imo.


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    You're not just gaining a blue AOE. You're gaining anywhere between 70k and 200k DPS, and a chance to spike much higher depending on the Lay Hands reset luck. It's also burst damage, which paladins simply don't have otherwise. If you've ever tried tanking Conquest or whatever and you have to kill that add, it's pretty damn scary without right side. Plus the burst damage is great for picking up adds that want to stick to raid members.

    Not only that, but the damage gain is basically static, unlike the SK stuff. Theirs is only good if timewarp and in a good group. Even in Defensive stance, Harbinger of Justice will be the lynchpin of your parse.

    While there are a few fights I switch back for, even as primary offtank it's rare. Avatar of Death, and that's about it. Maybe 4 rune Drinal.

    The left side is simply too situational. Every red text effect ticks over time and is almost guaranteed to kill you after faith wears off. DPS wise, it just has so few exceptional applications, and none on trash or easymode mobs. Last expansion, yes.. left side would be a no-brainer, but this expansion is so easy for tanks I'd feel bad not leaning towards DPS.
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    Default Re: Basic Paladin's Guide to Success

    I have it on my dps spec, but honestly... in an expansion where your aa mirror holds either an "adventuring" spec or a "harvesting" spec..

    naw... I do want to reset my aa and get some practice with the right side. I think I am just too lazy to figure out where the other trees stand. I just really really really want to take Lance back... Love that spell and wish I could have it on my main spec.
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    I will think about trying it. But since I only use my pally when we need a tank to actually TANK something, I don't see a point at the moment. Also, I never have a problem killing conqueror add or w/e... But yeah, /shrug, I may try it if it rly does give that big of a boost on deeps.


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