dudeman

There are still people whining about the title and fame system. First, my observations about titled players, then I will offer my ingenious solution.

Observations: If you have NO-TITLE or if you are HUNTER or SLAYER, this means one of a couple things: 1) you just returned from a trip to exile or 2) you get rolled ALL THE TIME.

Most of the Slayers and below I see are bot-like players who are more concerned with pve over pvp. They rarely use totems and pots and trying to get them to come on vent is futile. Kinda like playing with retarded kids. I'm talking about the non-scouts. If you are a scout and your title is Hunter or Slayer, you suck, period. You can sit at a rez point and zerg and get a Champ title in a couple of hours. I know this because that's all Katsuo does and he always seems to have Champ.

However, its not the Hunter/Slayers whining about the titles, its those people who are Destroyers/Champs that are doing the majority of the whining.

Destroyers are Kings of the Nubs while Champions are baby fame-whores. Dreadnaught is the true beginning of famewhore. Once you make dread, even the most anti-titled players will suddenly be impressed with their own and getting a little grumpy when they die.

Its these people stuck in the middle of the fame system that hate it the most. The Hunters and Slayers couldn't give a shit about fame and titles. The Destroyers and Champs are frustrated there is a title out there they CANNOT BUY with plat or endless questing, hence the whining.

Whining is also coming from those people torn with inner-conflict because they hold a high-title, but are frustrated with the PATIENCE it requires to both obtain and maintain their title. They wish they could ignore the fame-game and just go out and kamikaze everything.

That's why the fame game in EQ2 is brilliant imo. You can go for a high-title which requires PATIENCE (i.e. evac/immunity; pick smart fights; roll in leet groups) or you can go out and kamikaze everything in which case you sacrifice FAME for ACTION.

PEOPLE THAT WHINE ABOUT FAME/TITLES are NAIVE: there has to be some objective measure of greatness to keep people motivated. If you get rid of titles, you also have to get rid of kill/death ratio and any other objective measure of skill. Any objective measuring of skill will result in people going out of their way to avoid death to appear to be the best. Without it and you just have a zergfest. Stupid. And lots of people will quit.

Solution: since Venekor is almost completely dead . . . offer a server merge. All the whiners can free-transfer to Venekor where there will be no-titles and all the sucky players can zerg each other all day for no purpose over and over again and just have a ball of a time. The rest can pvp on Naggy with their titles. Hmmm, I wonder how populated the new Venny would be . . . not that populated would be my guess (and super boring).

In case you are wondering, I have a General and Master on Naggy and both toons take enormous patience to maintain their titles. I used to just famewhore with my troub and kamikaze with my ranger and the result was a General Troub and a Champ Ranger. Then I made the conscious decision to famewhore with my Ranger and now I have a Master Ranger. I decided I don't like to kamikaze anymore because I don't like to die period and I hate giving fame away to others even if I don't want it myself. It sucks to have to sit in immunity to save a title, but such is the price of fame. Its a decision I made for myself, I don't need a bunch of Devs taking my titles away saying "now just go zerg everything and have a good time!." No thanks, I'll go find another game if thats the case.

big_fag

When the fame system is abolished or made trivial, (and believe me it definitely will be), the best part will be the closed accounts of faggots like you.

dudeman

Awww, someone is mad because he can't BUY his title. What title are you nub? And why do you hate the fame system so much? Your immature reply just confirms my assumptions so far.

You people that hate the fame/title system are making two huge ASSUMPTIONS: 1) that the people who are evaccing/running/cliff-diving will stick around eq2 with no fame/title system. Unfortunately, without it, the population of pvp servers will diminish greatly and then your whining will be about there is no one left to kill. Because all the good pvpers will be playing Conan or some new game.

2) the other assumption you fags are making is that people will then have no qualms about dieing and will fight anything they see. Wrong. People will still evac, run, exploit to avoid a death. People that don't like to die, don't like to die. Fame is just an added incentive.

It wouldn't surprise me if SoE gets rid of fame and titles. It would be a bad business move at this time, but some of SoE's moves have really surprised me before.

That's why they should just allow free transfers to Venekor and make that a no-title server so fags like the 2nd poster can zerg his butt-buddies all day long. Weeeeeeeeeee isn't that fun.

Edit: actually, thinking about it a little more, I'll tell you how things would degenerate. EQ2 flames would turn into nothing but screenshots and fraps of pwnage fights. Then people will be evaccing and stuff so they don't show up on your stupid videos and such. If you think getting rid of titles and fame gonna make pvp better you are in fact a huge IDIOT.

Jhoram

Bingo! I knew you played scouts the minute i started reading your post. ... "It sucks to have to sit in immunity to save a title, but such is the price of fame" ... you say that removing titles will make pvp suck... yet because of your title there's one less pvp enthusiast willing to go up against anything he thinks is even remotely a challenge.

Dilandau

This guy is not completely wrong though. I do believe many would leave the game if the title system was removed.
Which is the reason it should be deactivable by choice, reseting the fame to 0 for the player who so choses.
There is no reason to force anyones playstyle on others, which is what's happening curently : group or get ganked (or reroll a scout).
Disabling the fame system on a char by char basis would provide choice.
The famefriendlies would stick to tittle hunting, while the "kamikaze" or other free fight friendly would just go and pick fights they potentialy could loose (omg !!).

But that won't happen, SOE doesn't like to provide peole with choices ... and since the PvP devs are ganker, this is all we're gonna have.

Xiolon

Honestly, do the slect few players who fame really affect ur day so much? If you take the game of everquest that seriously then im sorry for you.

I can tell you right now that even if there was no title system i would still run, jump, swim, or do whatever i can do to run away when losing because THATS WHAT IS INTELLIGENT. Even if the player who is chasing you is sure to catch you, you are still better off running for as long as you can in the hope that friendlies will come to save you.

If you crashed landed in the desert would you just sit around and die? Or would you fight as long and hard as you possibly could?

The bottom line is that i try to be as hard as possible to kill. If your gonna fight me then you better believe that i will do anything and everything i can in order to win. Its basic survival efficiency.

And tbh i welcome anyone to do exactly the same. Every time i get belted by a swash im actually proud of myself. What it meant, is that the swash felt they needed to belt in order to beat me. ( Kudos to me! =) )

sifo

They should just make the pvp title just like any other prefix title. If you are uber (or not uber) and you like your title you can choose to display it. If you'd rather show off your tradeskill title then that is what you can display. Either or... not both. For the record though, I don't give a shit - they are good in a sense that players are motivated by different means; some people PvP for titles, some PvP for tokens and gear, some are PvE oriented and just enjoy the sense of danger while they quest.

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Xiolon

Only problem with not displaying your title is that you wont be able to see who you can take or lose titles from.

sifo

Very valid point - I would say though that that shouldn't really matter... that way a true "PvP'er" wouldn't pick and choose fights solely based on titles of his opponent - if they wanted the fame they would just have to fight everyone. It would also have the effect of adding danger to displaying your title... you are now letting everyone know what your pvp rank is and you are now subject to being hunted just because of your notoriety.

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Bloodlich

My main is a hunter and I don't get rolled all the time, I'm a warden lol, I also haven't came back from exile or anything. I've just spent time focusing more on getting levels and aa than actually going out and only pvping. I could really care less if I get any titles tbh, the only thing that mean is that your going to be the first one attacked.

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