Dev "grandfathers in" stoneskin item for scouts in PVP - Page 2

Pink Poodle · 01-01-2008, 02:14 AM

Wow, that's epic retarded.

Sure, I'm in one of the "BAWWWWWWWW WHY DO WE GENERALLY SUCK" classes, but scouts need a stoneskin like I need to lose another 10 pounds. I don't, is what!

Kruhl · 01-01-2008, 10:29 AM

I'm the one that started this thread, so obviously you have my support.

I've sent countless PM's to Fyreflyte on this issue, but he continues to be stubborn about this topic.

Instead of retroactively changing the item like what should have been done, his compromise was to make this item proc less for scouts.

That was not a satisfactory fix. Everybody agrees that Fyreflyte most likely has an alt with this item, or guild mates with this item, because this decision has biased written all over it.

Non-retroactive item nerfs are NEVER a good idea, no matter what Fyreflyte might want you to believe.

Paikis · 01-01-2008, 10:33 AM

Quoted from the OP in the thread linked by LFG in the OP of this thread (still with me?):
"This item is useable by every class"

While I agree that the item should be changed for everyone, including those that have the original, I also think you need to stop crying about scouts. This item is still usable for EVERYONE who got it pre-nerf. This is not scout specific.

Rhaz · 01-01-2008, 10:34 AM

The only part of this thread worth caring about is the fact that Fireflyte is a guy, isn't it? At least that's what http://www.eq2flames.com/items-equip...tml#post360504 would lead one to believe.

Kruhl · 01-01-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhaz

The only part of this thread worth caring about is the fact that Fireflyte is a guy, isn't it? At least that's what http://www.eq2flames.com/items-equip...tml#post360504 would lead one to believe.

I would say if you don't care about non-retroactive item nerfs, you either A) have the item, or B) don't care about the game at all...

So not sure how much your opinion matters.

LFG · 01-01-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Quoted from the OP in the thread linked by LFG in the OP of this thread (still with me?):
"This item is useable by every class"

While I agree that the item should be changed for everyone, including those that have the original, I also think you need to stop crying about scouts. This item is still usable for EVERYONE who got it pre-nerf. This is not scout specific.

Sure are a lot of nice "not scout specific" items this expansion that seem to benefit scouts in PVP more favorably than other archetypes, for example:

This item is so useful to healers. Where's the item that gives healers tracking or another scout benefit? Oh, there isn't one. Guess I've gotta kill em twice this expansion.

LFG · 01-01-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhaz

The only part of this thread worth caring about is the fact that Fireflyte is a guy, isn't it? At least that's what http://www.eq2flames.com/items-equip...tml#post360504 would lead one to believe.

Yes, he is a guy. My apologies for the opposite reference.

Paikis · 01-01-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Sure are a lot of nice "not scout specific" items this expansion that seem to benefit scouts in PVP more favorably than other archetypes, for example:

This item is so useful to healers. Where's the item that gives healers tracking or another scout benefit? Oh, there isn't one. Guess I've gotta kill em twice this expansion.

Yeah, cos that one sure doesnt benefit mages or fighters just as much. /sarcasm And I'm sure Kaaryus has more HP than 2351, so your claims of having to kill him twice are complete bullshit, unless he happens to have 4 of those Phylacteries. One good harm touch should get rid of that 'heal' and then some. Failing that, there's always a flaming vial, fire seeds or other 'damage items' which would benefit healers alot more than scouts. Then there's the sack of marbles, blue AoE snare. i dont see too many scouts running around with that one, but I sure do see a few healers with it. Are you seeing a pattern here?

LFG · 01-01-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Are you seeing a pattern here?

Yes, the pattern I'm seeing is that originally all the complaints were about PVE being ruined by changes implemented for the PVP servers.

Now, I'm seeing just the opposite. I'm seeing a lot of ham handed itemization that is causing adverse imbalancing effects in PVP that don't involve concerns in PVE at all.

I feel like PVP is getting imbalanced by the introduction of items with special effects that were designed for PVE servers. The bottom line is, this stuff is getting put into game without any thought being given to the effect it will have on PVP servers. What doesn't matter in PVE can be equal to a God ability one v. one in PVP. More thinking needs to be done in the future to prevent Brigs and Swashes from getting items with stoneskin procs and 2k heals, IMO. You can't seriously tell me they need them.

Paikis · 01-01-2008, 06:54 PM

No I cant. I actually agree with you.

My problem is with people's complaints of 'OMG!! THIS ITAMZ IS TEH OVERPOWERD FOR SCOUTZ!!1!' when really it should (and now is AFAIK) be only useable by mages. Case in point: Thread title. No one ever complains 'wow, this item just stopped my decapitate from landing on that paladin!'. The whines are always targetted at scouts, and THAT is what pisses me off.

And I agree about the PvE fucking with PvP. As I recall though, PvP has NEVER had any effect on PvE servers, with the exception of the gnomish pring boots. So everyone complaining about it needs to STFU and GTFO, and then go DIAF. (acronyms FTW!)