Originally Posted by firamas

You posted very coherently, and I respect that. But I am afraid I'm on the verge of screaming at you too here. READ MY ORIGINAL POST. Really READ it, try to understand it, don't just skim it and then start making comments. I will re-quote and re-emphasize the relevent (and extremely important) part here, for the umpteenth time, with suitable bold/extra large font for those too lazy to have read for comprehension in the first place:

Alright. I'm sorry I didn't study your book before commenting, shame on me. I have read it now though.



(quoted from my opening post here...)
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It would of course follow that the rewards (PvP gear) from doing writs should still in no way exceed the quality of fabled gear obtainable by PVE raiding, and should take a commensurate amount of time, effort, and coordination that a raid guild has to bear when clearing Veeshan's Peak, for instance.

Great for you, and congratulation on your accomplishments. But not everyone is here for raiding, and I don't agree that raid accomplishments should necessarily always yield greater rewards than PvP accomplishments. A lot of players don't have the time to raid, some don't like it and others play in different time zones. I think you greatly underestimate how much time and effort it takes for a non-rogue/predator to attain even one of these items, but I can tell you that it actually takes quite a lot. More below....


The T8 PvP stuff is already fantastic for the amount of effort required, and some of the pieces of jewelry have sickeningly powerful effects on them. I'd ask the designers to keep this in mind as we close in on GU42 and the implementation of new PvP armor. I don't think it's viable to have people obtain full suits of PvP armor, weapons, and jewelery as quickly as they could in T7. Raid guilds take entire expansions of constant raiding to fully gear up their members, a single PvP group shouldn't be able to do it (with gear that is only very slightly worse) in 1-2 months. With the expected increase in group PvP that these changes will bring, the devs need to be mindful of how fast this gear is going to be entering the game.

I must admit I have problems understanding how someone in a raid guild can honestly claim that raid gear is so much harder and slower to obtain than PvP gear. It honestly isn't, unless maybe if you play a rogue. I know some changes are coming, but I don't want to comment on that before I've seen some update notes.

But with the current system, I'll use myself as an example. The first month, I PvP'ed a lot - mostly in small groups as my class lacks survivability and tracking. I managed to get 203 tokens all together. That's not even enough for one piece, and during the same time period I got 2 very nice items from raiding instances even though my guild can not by any stretch of imagination be considered a hardcore raiding guild, unlike yours.

The way I see it, there is nothing unbalanced about the PvP gear. It is meant for those who mainly PvP (many who rarely or never raid), and as such it should be of very good quality. It is supposed to be worth the effort (yes, effort!), and encourage more people to actually PvP on a PvP server.

Nagafen, Venekor and Vox offer full rewards to two different playstyles (PvP and raiding), and I think it's great! Don't like raiding? Then go and fight people instead. The whole thing is actually quite awesome, and gives the players a choice they don't get on the other servers.


The PvP itemization available to exiles (yes, I said it, available to exiles... if it's a viable third faction it has to have at least some incentives) should be balanced against the fact that exiles have a slightly easier time raiding the hardest of the PVE content. ***There doesn't need to be full sets of PvP armor available to exile, we wouldn't wear most of it over raid gear anyway***. The rewards for turning in their tokens could be put to other uses... weapons, jewelry (perhaps even PVE/raid related... hmm?!) or itemized like the "general" PvP merchants have been in the cities...

Well, I can only imagine that the developers time and resources dedicated to PvP issues are limited, and as such I think maybe there are some more pressing issues that needs to be taken care of before they start making PvP rewards for exiles that are geared towards raiding.

As for PvP rewards for exiles in general? Not saying it is a horrible idea, but they need to at least take into consideration that you guys have a lot more targets than city aligned players, and that you have all classes available to you.

random potions, clickie items, and other interesting effects that would be deemed a worthwhile reward for a L80 exiled PvPer en lieu of the full suits of PvP armor that the cities would get.


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Now I want you to bear in mind that all I wanted was to establish a 3 faction system on PvP servers. There are advantages to being in each of those factions. I in no way want exile to become the "one true path", that's not fun for anyone when one faction is massively overpopulated.

In essence I asked for 2 things in my first post here:
1) Introduce a mechanic that would cause the population to naturally move towards 3 relatively balanced levels within each faction. (i.e. writs requiring equal # of kills from the other 2 factions)

No thank you, please. I think this is a really, really bad idea. Why? Because some servers don't even have exiles right now, and most exiles on Nagafen are rarely seen out PvP'ing. I guess what you're trying to say is that if exile becomes a true faction, then a lot of people will flock to it and these issues will magically solve themselves, but I don't believe it.

I think it's too late for that, and since exile is known as the number one faction for raiding, what do you think is happening during prime time? They're all raiding. So that means nobody else will get their writs done that day. Or the next day, or the day after that. And what about soloists who have no chance in hell to kill anyone from that one stacked exile group that roams around? No, sorry. The only way to make the writs somewhat fair to everyone, regardless of class, faction, server and playstyle is to make them require only raw numbers. Kill X amount of hostiles, and that's it.

2) And then give people a small reason to go exile for PvP other than the fact that writs require a certain % of the population to be exile. I.e. a general PvP vendor with potions, cool clickie items, etc so exiles could redeem tokens for something at least.

I think exiles could use some more rewards that would encourage them to PvP more, but making exile kills a requirement to complete a writ is.... well, extremely risky. I'm afraid that could lead to all kinds of issues, and I think what we need here is a quick solution to the flawed and unfair token system that would make as many players as possible happy - not a huge change that may or may not work, and either way would take weeks and months (or maybe never) to bear any fruit for players on servers with no exiles and a generally low server population.

Originally Posted by Crone

This must be the 63214151320535 time someone cried about not being able to buy pvp gear in Exile


PS.: Fibs you re an Illusionist you can easily get your piece per week if you pvp 24/7

Originally Posted by Fibs

Hi, Salsa!

I would agree with you if I was a rogue, but illusionist? Come on. Soloing as an illusionist with the current resist rate is just annoying, and also no track and no evac? Yeah, you do that yourself - then come talk to me, ok?

You don't go out alone either, even though a good templar should be able to destroy just about anyone in a 1v1. But you don't do it because you know that's not how things usually work, and that your class is far more effective in a group.... or am I wrong about that?

I did PvP just about every night for a month, but usually in a small group and 203 tokens was the end result when I stopped because the resist rate drove me nuts and I decided to leave it until the writs came out. Maybe those writs will speed things up a little for group based classes, but that remains to be seen.

Originally Posted by Broncas

Fibs has a pleasant accent. <3

Originally Posted by Cerium

Acually fibs... Solo'n as an Illusionist is easy if you dont care about your title. You will die ALOT, but you will kill alot. Im up over 1100 tokens. Its something like 2000+ kills. Of course they're classes that have it much easier then an illy, but its alot more fun when you have to fight.