Nerf shrink please - Page 5

Odinn · 01-09-2008, 11:44 PM

yes...yes, they do

if someone dies in this game, it is never their fault, but must have been haxx, unbalanced classes. exploits or game mechanics....cause there is no way that anyone could ever possibly just suck at pvp. they usually have to /rage /post

WillyWonka · 01-10-2008, 04:21 AM

I'm sorry but when tracking picks up someone, I know the direction.. and nothing short of macro-targetting can target them all because of their spider/cat + shrink.. then it needs to be fixed.
As for your whole macro-targetting crap, how often have you ever fought groups? do you seriously waste your time typing out that shit in middle of a fight? willing to bet I can hotkey target and MA 3x faster and more accurately than you can with your macroing. Macro targets are good if they're preset. Being a dirge in a world of Brigands though, if I see someone on track I rather tend to catch the direction they're coming from and do what I can to slow them down. without the ridiculously small forms, pvp hotkeys work just fine for that.

VexusX · 01-10-2008, 05:33 AM

I like the solutions posted by Gori (shrink suspends when in combat) and Firamas (cap maximum shrinkage to smallest possible race height, e.g. shortest gnome height). Either of those would work just fine.

Fizzie · 01-10-2008, 06:38 AM

The shrinking isnt the issue tbh, its the fact that the "next-hostile-pvp target"-hotkey doesnt work on shrinked people. THAT is annoying as hell and stupid as well. Not sure why its the case but that needs a fix.

Fibs · 01-10-2008, 07:06 AM

While target keys not working properly is the biggest issue with this, I'd say the extremely small size some people shrink themselves to also is kinda ridiculous. Some of this stuff stack (muppet + bristlebane), and if combined with cat or spider illusion, they become the size of ... what, maybe a very small peanut? That sure must be handy if you have track, but without it? Keep spamming next hostile target key like a maniac to have a chance to see them coming? Which doesn't really work either right now...

Pryz · 01-10-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WillyWonka

I'm sorry but when tracking picks up someone, I know the direction.. and nothing short of macro-targetting can target them all because of their spider/cat + shrink.. then it needs to be fixed.
As for your whole macro-targetting crap, how often have you ever fought groups? do you seriously waste your time typing out that shit in middle of a fight? willing to bet I can hotkey target and MA 3x faster and more accurately than you can with your macroing. Macro targets are good if they're preset. Being a dirge in a world of Brigands though, if I see someone on track I rather tend to catch the direction they're coming from and do what I can to slow them down. without the ridiculously small forms, pvp hotkeys work just fine for that.

If you're such a macro master what's your excuse for tracking(ok how much more easymode can it be, you already know their name) them and still getting owned because you can't see them? sounds like you better work on your macro skills there bud. I've fought many groups that have been shrunk to shit and it's not nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be, in the middle of group pvp if you can't seem to single target the person of your choice, save a ranger in the back, maybe you should join your group and stop leeching tbh.

Gori · 01-10-2008, 01:47 PM

If it wasn't a viable tactic it wouldn't be used, so the point isn't really whether it is effective, but whether it unduly interferes with game mechanics (vis a vis line of sight or tab/hostile targetting) not player mechanics. If a player cannot do something because they lack the skill that is one thing; it is altogether something different if they cannot do it because shrink "breaks" otherwise functioning game mechanics. Also, just because /ta works doesn't mean it was intended to be used as a forced substitute to other targetting methods.

Only a dev can answer whether shrink effects are intended to affect tab/hostile targetting though. If they were, there is no need for a fix. If they weren't, something needs to be done.

Pretty simple really.

Cupcake · 01-10-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

No there's a better way. Want to shrink by 50% for fun and games? Good, but stats, pools, and base combat art/spell damage also decrease by 50%.

That's right, because being anti-fun and games is the best way.

Darkhain · 01-10-2008, 04:11 PM

Are you fucking retarded or what Pryz? Oh pretty sure exploit this.
Let's talk about your /ta BS :

*if you don't have track :
-you don't know the name and can't do /Ta name
-next pvp target doesn't work and you won't see him

*if you have track :
-you can /ta name if he is the only one on track or tracklocked him

keLston · 01-11-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pryz

If it gets nerfed so be it, all it will do is make people too lazy to type /ta feel better about themselves. It makes no difference in a skilled fight. I just like being a shrunken ratonga or cat tbh. And i got my billy reward like 2 days ago so yeah it's newness is still setting in. If i die to a shrunken cat i've never thought wow that needs to get nerfed, i just think maybe i should of paid more attention. Do some people seriously complain about everything in this game?

Ya cause having to type 6 characters as opposed to a shrunken character able to tab target isn't at all an advantage for the shrunken player.

Keeping it in game just makes the PvPers too scrubby to win without exploits feel better about their epeens.