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01-13-2008, 08:54 PM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
Simple solutions
1-Buy a pumice stone, remove manashield when it goes up, spam interrupts as much as possible while trying to burn through the dispersion gear, Mages can Dispell mana shield as well if you grp with em
2- Grp more with a coercer, while manashield is active, mezz WILL NOT break, therefore giving you 20+ seconds of free burn time on his mana pool, theres also pots you can buy or get out of an instance that cast a mezz...
Honestly, manashield+dispersion is only a huge problem for warlocks with propagation, every other mage benefits hugely with scouts like yourself being able to autoattack for 1.2k easily and gives us an actual chance of winning.Nerfing dispersion gear in general instead of tuning warlocks down goes back to making clothies as a whole shitty, not leveling out the playing field.
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01-13-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
ok i didnt read the replies but that stoneskin is probably like 4 dispersion items + templar buff + increased proc chances + you and 3 thugs hitting him lots of times, i rekcon stoneskin is gonna proc a lot. /shrug
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01-13-2008, 10:25 PM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
Which items have the 10% stoneskin?
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01-13-2008, 10:45 PM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
Shoulders from faction merchant, Forearms from Karnors Castle and the Belt from...? Both forearms and belt are attuneable though, the shoulders require 40k with Outter Seb
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Last edited by Beandip : 01-13-2008 at 10:46 PM.
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01-14-2008, 02:53 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
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This is of course assuming that the mage isn't doing any damage or afflicting you with any effects to keep you from running. Oh, and this is also assuming that his friends don't show up in that period of time where you have to go chill and smoke a cigarette for 30 seconds waiting for his manashield to die. Get real. If you force 3 people attacking you to run away for 30-45 seconds, you've already won the fight.
Actually, you win the fight when all the other people are dead.
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Of course assuming that A) the stoneskin user sticks around for you to own him, and B) nobody shows up in the period of time where you're just sitting there with your thumb up your ass.
Last edited by Kruhl : 01-14-2008 at 03:05 AM.
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01-14-2008, 02:55 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
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Originally Posted by Beandip
Simple solutions
1-Buy a pumice stone, remove manashield when it goes up, spam interrupts as much as possible while trying to burn through the dispersion gear, Mages can Dispell mana shield as well if you grp with em
2- Grp more with a coercer, while manashield is active, mezz WILL NOT break, therefore giving you 20+ seconds of free burn time on his mana pool, theres also pots you can buy or get out of an instance that cast a mezz...
Honestly, manashield+dispersion is only a huge problem for warlocks with propagation, every other mage benefits hugely with scouts like yourself being able to autoattack for 1.2k easily and gives us an actual chance of winning.Nerfing dispersion gear in general instead of tuning warlocks down goes back to making clothies as a whole shitty, not leveling out the playing field.
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The fact still remains that the stoneskin gear Fyreflyte implemented is overpowering. It's not a matter of whether class A or B is overpowered, it's a matter of whether the items themselves are overpowered. If anybody says that stoneskin absorbing over 30,000 damage from 3 different players is not overpowered, it's obvious you're biased in one way or another.
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01-14-2008, 02:56 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
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ok i didnt read the replies but that stoneskin is probably like 4 dispersion items + templar buff + increased proc chances + you and 3 thugs hitting him lots of times, i rekcon stoneskin is gonna proc a lot. /shrug
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No matter the circumstances, he absorbed somewhere around 30,000 damage from his stoneskin items alone, not even including manashield. The facts speak for themselves..
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01-14-2008, 02:58 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
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Shoulders from faction merchant, Forearms from Karnors Castle and the Belt from...? Both forearms and belt are attuneable though, the shoulders require 40k with Outter Seb
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There's 4 different stoneskin items mages can use, and when worn altogether, it gives them around a 34% proc rate, not including buffs or anything from you or your group mates. Including all buffs, it can be around 50% or even higher (haven't done the math on it). But I think it's pretty clear. Over 30,000 damage absorbed from 3 players just due to items alone? Come on, nobody in their right mind can say that's fair.
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01-14-2008, 03:02 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
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Wuzzums. Poor Kruhl couldn't kill someone in 10 seconds or less, so their class is overpowered.
You'll live.
You want to know the reason dispersion isn't really overpowered in PvP? Because only Clothies can have alot of it.
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Not entirely true. Fyreflyte, in his infinite wisdom, made it so there are still old stoneskin items that scouts to this day are still wearing. Luckily, he agreed somewhat with me, and nerfed the proc rate for scouts, but the fact still remains that there are scouts and other non-mages out there using stoneskin items.
Secondly, your argument is that it's not overpowered because only clothies can use it? How ridiculous is that argument? Stop a second and think about it. Using your logic, if scouts were given a 10,000 hitpoint ward on an instant cast clicky item, I could say that it's not overpowering in any way shape or form due to the fact that only scouts can use it.
If you're going to come up with a reason why absorbing 30,000 damage from 3 players in a pvp battle is not overpowering, please come up with an argument that actually holds substance.
Last edited by Kruhl : 01-14-2008 at 03:03 AM.
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01-14-2008, 03:06 AM
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Re: Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly
Let it go.
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