Overpowered stoneskin needs changing - badly - Page 7

WillyWonka · 01-14-2008, 08:34 PM

Want to talk about rediculous procs? Try Thief line + Shifting Band. Get into a fight with someone with those good luck doing ANYTHING to them that's not an AoE. I've fought against brigs that used just those things and even after getting the jump on them stacking the debuffs once they deagro and the AA proc and Averted Eyes start kicking in then you're screwed. No matter how fast I retarget them I lost target immediatly afterward. Entire time eating 1k+ autoattacks and 2k+ CA hits. Nerf that shit imo

I honestly think Kruhl just has his panties in a bunch because he found a setup that he can't kill in under 5seconds.

ZaiTh · 01-14-2008, 09:26 PM

Funniest thread of all times.

Beandip · 01-14-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kruhl

There's 4 different stoneskin items mages can use, and when worn altogether, it gives them around a 34% proc rate, not including buffs or anything from you or your group mates. Including all buffs, it can be around 50% or even higher (haven't done the math on it). But I think it's pretty clear. Over 30,000 damage absorbed from 3 players just due to items alone? Come on, nobody in their right mind can say that's fair.

Umm ya I kno, Illuminator asked what the 10% ones were though, not the shitty trinket.

Kruhl · 01-14-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloakntuna

When you can tell me why this is OP for other casters then maybe I will understand where you are coming from. However, you are basing it off of one encounter with a class that already has some survivability thanks to manashield.

If this were against any other caster besides a warlock/wizard u wouldnt see nearly as much damage absorbtion because they dont hav e MS.

Although I agree this item is even more OP on wizards/warlocks, I think the effect in of itself is OP. I've fought other people wearing the same stoneskin items, and recorded them absorbing over 10,000 worth of damage from me alone. You want to compare this damage "ward" to other damage "ward" procs? Let's see where this leads us. There's a proc on many items that has about a 6% chance to proc a 250ish hitpoint ward on incoming melee damage. If you parse this out in a normal PVP fight, you'll see this proc absorbing maybe 750-1,000 damage total. Rarely do you ever see this proc absorbing more than that. With the dispersion proc we're talking about, it's absorbing nearly ten times that amount, IN ADDITION to giving mana back to the wearer. You are likely to conclude that therefore, the dispersion proc is at least 8-10 times more powerful than the other proc.

Are some procs better than others? Of course. But when you start talking about something being 10 times better, you're getting into OP territory, something the devs should always keep an eye on.

Kruhl · 01-14-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WillyWonka

Want to talk about rediculous procs? Try Thief line + Shifting Band. Get into a fight with someone with those good luck doing ANYTHING to them that's not an AoE. I've fought against brigs that used just those things and even after getting the jump on them stacking the debuffs once they deagro and the AA proc and Averted Eyes start kicking in then you're screwed. No matter how fast I retarget them I lost target immediatly afterward. Entire time eating 1k+ autoattacks and 2k+ CA hits. Nerf that shit imo

I honestly think Kruhl just has his panties in a bunch because he found a setup that he can't kill in under 5seconds.

You didn't read my post either, did you? It wasn't me vs. a guy with dispersion proc items. It was 3 of us vs. a guy with dispersion proc items. And he absorbed between 20-30k damage while gaining mana at the same time. That's ridiculous.

As for the shifting band, that's an entirely different story. What makes the dispersion proc even worse, is the fact it's on legendary items..they aren't even fabled. At least with the shifting band, it's a fabled item. With that being said, I do think the proc rate on the shifting band is a bit too high. Perhaps you should start your own thread on that item, as it might need looking at as well. You deserve that right, just as much as I deserve it.

Fooflehag · 01-15-2008, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Milambers

Wow looks like i need to get ahold of some of these items!

Anyone got some SS of the different ones?

Index of: /eq2/stoneskins
Missing the shoulder piece.

And just for kicks, I just had to log in last night, and run around solo'ing a bit. I got between 0 and 2 stoneskin procs in every single fight, 2 procs being the rare one.
I still die alot when getting jumped, and still win alot when getting the jump.
Granted I only have the 3 pieces above, maybe the 4th will give me 1-3 procs average pr. fight, zomg!!

Seriously though, gtfo. Come up with something better then a general nerf, that will only balance 1/3 of the classes (1/6, if it's only warlocks that's so damn uber. fuck if I know about sorcs).

Narkle · 01-15-2008, 08:17 AM

Kruhl is just pissed he didnt get a chance to farm the dispersion items before they were changed to mage only (see his crybaby scouts still have stoneskin forearms thread) shut the fuck up you whiny cunt

Kruhl · 01-15-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sigh

Kruhl is just pissed he didnt get a chance to farm the dispersion items before they were changed to mage only (see his crybaby scouts still have stoneskin forearms thread) shut the fuck up you whiny cunt

Completely wrong. I lost all interest in attaining that one stoneskin item as soon as Fyreflyte nerfed the proc chance for us scouts. We don't get the normal 10% proc chance, we get something like 1% proc chance. So rest assured this post has absolutely nothing to do with scouts having access to stoneskin items.

I'd much rather wear another fabled/legendary piece with a nice proc.

Daimyo · 01-15-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

I like stone skin tbh and I play an assassin as my main. Like others have said including myself, I would like to reitterate that Stoneskin (+power regen) and manashield = OP. Sure it gets even worse when the warlock is low and null-mail kicks in.

I don't think that anyone can seriously disagree with me in this situation.

I would also hate to think and therefore assume that the +power proc from stoneskin even regenerates Manashield... and that just contributes to the problem further

Lets not make it personal about Kruhl (anymore) and consider the message between the lines.. in short.. stone-skin + MS = OP

~Daimyo

QFE and to stay on topic

Odinn · 01-15-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kruhl

Before all of you hop on the bandwagon and say I got pwned, cry more..that's not the case. We ended up killing Krokorogue, and I didn't die. It was a 3 vs. 3. We killed his two friends, and then it took nearly 3 minutes for 3 of us to kill him by himself. I was wondering why it took us 3 minutes to kill him....I'm not a healer..I don't have low dps...I have extremely high burst dps. I look in my logs, and low and behold, he absorbed nearly 11,000 damage by stoneskin ALONE. Not even taking into consideration his manashield. Also remember that every time he absorbs damage from me, he gains mana to keep his mana shield up even longer.

Mana Boon has a CHANCE to proc when you hit, not a guarantee, just to clear that up....think it is 25%?

You can't count the whole fight without us knowing what the other classes were, because those classes could have had stoneskin too, and also increased proc rates.

Some of those stoneskins may not have been his gear.