Cerium

Its always funny to me how people think that raiding should give you the best gear. You say there is nothing skillfull about farming bots. Well its less skillful to sit on your ass and do what your told on a raid tbh. Plenty of people in your blue guilds are scrubs that show up to a raid earn dkp for doing next to nothing but being there. grats skill. Way to earn the best items in the game.


You also compare 3 set pieces for brigands. Are you only counting the ones the brigs got, or all the drops for that group? I believe its paladin, brig, defiler, necro? Or even better, how about to total number of all the drops?


And to even think people are pulling 90 tokens a day, is kinda funny. MAYBE the first 2-3 weeks the servers went live with rok. But, even then you are talking about 16+ hour days of pvp. Every day the pvp gets slimmer and slimmer. There are fewer easy kills, alot more groups and generally less people out questing in general. Not to mention the excitement of a new expansion is gone and all the "temporary" EQ2 refugee's have all ready moved on.


Since RoK went live I've pulled about 2100 kills. 99% of them while solo. I have earned roughly 1100 tokens. I am fortunate to play a class that can solo fairly efficiantly so i get to keep all the tokens. take those same numbers and use them for classes or people who have trouble solo'n. With the same number of tokens if i ran in a group of 6 I'd have around 183 tokens, Thats not even enough to get 1 piece of gear.



Your side note acually shows that you agree tokens are harder to get then set pieces.

UGAdawg

You elite pvp'ers are halarius. I'm not the first person in the world that has a scout that can track and kill people quickly. In EOF, I did get 3 pieces of pvp gear in a week. Is that a hard thing to do? Not if you're a brig and you spend a good 5-6 hours/day pvping SOLO. I'd drop down in BS and kill a full bot group and get what.. 6-10 tokens? Then, after 30 minutes, or whenever they drop off my recent list.. guess who dies again? The bot group.

Cerium, if you are who I think you are then you need to get a new tactic other than 1 shot pets in JW and KJ. When I was leveling my 2nd level 80 up in KJ I saw you there often and you were always at the entrance of the zone with a 1 shot pet. Talk about uber skill... And considering that MOST guilds on the server never even killed a mob in EH until ROK was released I would say getting a full set of raid gear is harder than pvp gear.

There's no telling what the servers are like for faction pvp right now. I'm not in a faction anymore with my brig and there doesn't seem to be many easy tokens to get. The sheer concentration of solo pvp'ers (or bots if you may) has substantially decreased IMO.

Raiding for gear takes longer than PVP gear in the last expansion for all the players that had all 7 pieces. I think it took 9 months into the expansion before ANYONE on ANY SERVER had a full 7 set of EOF raid gear.

How many for pvp gear?

I hope they go to pvp writs and make you solo some of the kills. First piece is grouped... second is solo, third is grouped, etc.

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Fibs

What an awesome idea! Let's ruin the whole point with the new writ system, just to slow down the city aligned non-raiding folks and make sure the non-scouts among them don't get their set before the next expansion!

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UGAdawg

Did I hit a soft spot? Shouldn't this be a challenge? Do writs not make you do certian things? What's wrong with having a tiered system that encourages the pvp community to not only work together, but gets some people out on their own? I never said anything like 200 solo kills and 500 group kills... It could be done with, for example, 15 solo kills and 200 group kills for the first piece.

I for one can't wait for the writ system. I can see it now... Every factioned player is going to creep out of the wood work to kill exiles that are pulling avatars. They will run in, fear, AE, and run out hoping for a wipe while they have their god ability that prevents them from dying, up.

When EOF was around, Onyx people had a 700-800 kill count in a few hours fighting with Kraken. Just imagine how fast you can get pvp gear if you show up with your guild to these fights along with the rest of fp!

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Cerium

Acually I'm an Illusionist. I was an illusionist before RoK came out. Albeit I was a coercer before that, but, not anymore.

maliak

Someone said dig a post up about us exiles (when I was exile) wanting PvP gear.

Back then, people actually were in Exile to PvP. i was fine and am still fine with exiles getting PvP gear, so long as it's at an additional cost. Say 2-3x the cost of gear for the city people.

It is a DRASTICALLY different world in exile now than it was a year ago. Darkhand was, and does still to this date consider itself a PvP guild (not an EQ2 guild) that is here for the PvP. We were forced in exile to raid for our gear, which made a lot of pvp'ers quit the game, we came to freeport, and some of us were able to get full sets of PvP gear or close (meaning didn't care about some of the other pieces because we already had better from raiding) in a few short months time. It didn't take long.

To some, the play of the game is to attain gear. On Blue servers that's basically what anyone that talks trash is about. I beat x raid mob, I win, look at my gear, I'll leave my toon on the docks in the harbor all day.

This is a PvP server. They should promote PvP. They should reward people for PvP, on a PvP server. Honestly though, Nighwalker, what's the big deal. Most of you don't even PvP, and when you do, and die, you just zerg and die again (yah remember? and I suck at my brigand really really badly).. go raid, get your gear, talk about how you beat said encounters, leave the PvP gear to the PvP'ers and all is well.

Katsuo should be rewarded for his efforts though. why not? I once asked him, why do you zerg so much? He said, I want the gear, gotta get the tokens. I admire the dedication, although the execution of it is pretty terrible tbh.

Raiding is hard to do, I wont knock it, but it should't be jammed down this server's throat to have to go raid to compete. This is PvP afterall.

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UGAdawg

[quote=maliak;429228]Honestly though, Nighwalker, what's the big deal. Most of you don't even PvP, and when you do, and die, you just zerg and die again (yah remember? and I suck at my brigand really really badly).. go raid, get your gear, talk about how you beat said encounters, leave the PvP gear to the PvP'ers and all is well.

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What are you talking about? The only thing I can think of is me turning around to fight 2 people when fritzz was on a sokar in JW and about to help. I died when he dropped down and I said hey, stay alive I'm coming back.. Then it was 3 on 2 and we died. Nothing wrong with trying to defend the guy that just joined.

There's nothing for me to pvp for other than fun. I do a lot of solo pvp on Xdragon, only b/c there's pvp where there are named mobs. I hang out in JW and engage any solo pvper that I see. I win some, I lose some, but most of all, it's fun.

I don't care if pvp gear is ever in exile. I just don't think it should be on-par or better with end-game raid gear. As you just said, most of you had a full set of pvp gear in a few months.. I bet your scouts had it even sooner. You were in exile, is that on the same timeline as set, raid gear?

Did DH ever get a character with 5/7 pieces? How about Nexus? How long after you left did Kraken/Onyx get the 7/7 pieces?

That's all I'm saying. And I don't think a zerging dirge from Betrayed should have a bow that hits like the rigid scale. I think he should get the Natures Bow of the Stalker, a nice fabled bow from EH.

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maliak

[quote=UGAdawg;429246]Nothing wrong with bind rushing? uh-huh.

my group was chasing u, I evac'd. hit a tiger, killed you with a tiger on me, he jumped down, was getting owned, you ran BACK AT ME, and still died.

still see the raiders should have the best gear? nope, we can agree to disagree. your logic is flawed. The difference in this server than any other server is the gear you get can be used against other players too not just mobs. THAT is why raiding for your gear is a broken mentality on this server. PvP is NOT raiding.. shouldn't be.

You want the uber lootz to bragz aboutz?
Do what we were forced to do. Go to a city and fucking PvP for it.

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UGAdawg

If I was in a city and all I could do is run instances and pvp I would quit the game. After nearly 5 years of EQ there has to be a balance for me and in the city there is no real raid aspect and not much pvp. In my recent time in the city during EOF, I got bored in about a month and had to go back to exile.

As was said in the DOM recruitment thread, you don't have to have a pvp gear or raid gear to win in pvp. You need good players.

I think we can both agree that pvp is more fun in exile. It has way more targets, and you're always on edge. In the city, it's just not as fun.

I played Asheron's call and Ultima Online for a reason and I was never on a pve-oriented server for either. I loved the "who's going to attack me now" feature that open pvp offers.

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WillyWonka

If night is xdragon, then i have seen you bind rush on different occasions. Then again a lot of people lately bind rush, hell the guild i'm in got called out in channels because a small group of them died in pvp and evac'd to a different place instead of bind rushing. Bind rushing in any game with pvp I've ever played aside from FPS has never been fun. It serves no real purpose other than use an inherent flaw in the system to your advantage. People have this sort of FPS mentality for online PvP now and it's kinda sad.

As for exiles, they should get rid of the whole thing. When Haven was introduced it was never intended as per quotes from the devs then, to be a permanent or viable faction. It was pretty lame that they made those claims yet stuck a guild registar and tradeskill area in the hole. Exile is bluebie settings. Sure there is more PvP, but 90% of the people that Exile don't do it for the PvP they do it to have all the classes so that they can Raid Internet Dragons.

However on a PvP Server, players should be awarded the most for PvPing. Going against another person is 10x harder than going against a scripted Mob, always has been and always will be. Learn the Script, the mob is farmable. Learn a person, they might change their style or do something random. Then again the PvP in EQ2 is flawed by the shortsightedness of the Developers working on it, and the general lack of anything resembling a Balance in the class system or faction diversity.