Is this item overpowered for PVP? - Page 3

Daimyo · 01-28-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aeeron

yeah become is my guildie and i never agree with him half the time, but when most scouts aleady have an ability that puts u into stealth and drops target, a evade that drops target, and brigands/swashbucklers have a deaggro stance that procs like 3.0 times per min that drops target 20% is a bit much on a proc item. Mages should get an item with the same ability if scouts do ( forgive me if mages already do i havnt seen the pvp armor).

Sounds fair if you give dispersion back to scouts imo...

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Daimyo · 01-28-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Fixed.

For the record, bards get exactly 1 (one) deagro. It can be used every 20 seconds.

The apparent master of stealth aka assassin gets 1 quick deaggro as well..

Another is on a ~3 second cast time and the last is on a ~4 sec cast time.. i.e. the latter 2 are almost pointless in most pvp situations because of teh long cast time...

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Paikis · 01-28-2008, 08:03 AM

Yeah, I was under the impression (mistaken apparently) that concealment caused a target drop... it doesnt, checked, its 5%.

Does anyone know if the racial detaunts cause target drops?

firamas · 01-28-2008, 09:56 AM

Look, guys, this isn't rocket science here. The devs have, even through constant criticism of how "broken" PvP feels in EQ2, continually tuned the PvP environment to make it even more annoying and distateful to PvP. I honestly wish they'd take back a lot of things they've added or changed in the last year or so and just removed a few of the glaring problems that existed pre-EoF (in combat evac, etc). I'm pretty sure that all of these changes have been done to try to force people to engage in 6v6 PvP more often instead of soloing (where these "balance" changes make at least a bit of sense). The upcoming PvP writs only enforce that stance.

Dispersion gear, massive reactive deaggro effects for all archetypes, improved manashield, god abilities, immunity timers, etc etc... all of these take away in some small way from the fun of balanced PvP.

Maybe I just want a nice FFA ruleset server like everyone else... maybe that dream will someday come true.. Who knows? /sigh/

Popsi · 01-28-2008, 10:43 AM

helps if u leave haven and look for fights

Paikis · 01-28-2008, 10:46 AM

Don't be silly! Then he might lose fame!!1

I can see why he wouldn't want to PvP in exile though... what's the point? Hurray... I can get a title, which proves how uber I am (honest!)

Demron · 01-28-2008, 10:47 AM

This is no more, or less overpowered than the dispersion procs.

Assassins get an end line that doubles procing rates, coupled with this, healing procs, warding procs, et cetera it can take an eternity to kill a well equipped Assassin. GOOD!!

It pains me to see people like Kruhl support this stuff, but cry nerf over dispersion procs.

LFG · 01-28-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Popsi

ok fair enough, soz i get you, but the items are powerful for a reason... the reason is this :

we are all here to PvP yes, some people exile to get the best PVE gear to make them better at PVP, what can the faction guilds do to compete against this armor, im no hardcore raider dont get me wrong if i wanted to raid i would have applied to an exile guild a long long time ago, but the factions guilds SIMPLY cannot kill the mobs that the exile guilds can so eaisly, it will take us months an dmonths of pulls on mobs that ar ebeing farmed right now by onyx and kraken. we need the pvp items to be powerful to compete against the 'pve'ers' on the server who have the best gear not because they are good at pvp or spend a long time pvping, but because they can kill mobs we cant.

example : my guild has just started tier 2, weve killed a few nameds in tier2 alredy,but we know for 100% FACT, that as a qeynos guild right now, we cant clear temple of korsha, not saying its impossible, but with the qeynos classes i think are dps is gonna ahve to go up a shit tonne to clear it, the only reason we cant kill kodux and zarda is cos we cant do enuf dps, for no other reason

but exiles an kill it with ease cos they have all classes, tell me now why it is fair on a pvp server that the people who pvp more get less rewards for pvping than those who dont pvp.

seems abuot fair to me that these items are very powerful tbh.

I don't have a problem with any other item I've seen bud, none of them. But this effect with it's proc rate isn't on any other item in game. You can't get anything like this by raiding. I think there's a reason that everyone with enough tokens is buying this item first, before any other item. People are voting with their tokens this is the most powerful item you can buy with tokens. It is overpowered.

Pryz · 01-28-2008, 10:54 AM

This item isn't nearly as bad as dispersion, i can live with factions getting this since target is a button away. Or be like me and make a popsi macro.

Nuke is BS though.

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Demron · 01-28-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pryz

This item isn't nearly as bad as dispersion, i can live with factions getting this since target is a button away. Or be like me and make a popsi macro.

Nuke is BS though.

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Depends on how the deagro acts. Some deagro's will not allow you to retarget for "up to" 3 seconds.