Is this item overpowered for PVP? - Page 4

LFG · 01-28-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Now maybe its just coincidence that you put this first, maybe you have OCD and have to order things one way or another... i think you put this first because it's what you think and/or want to happen. Look at all the polls on this site. They either ask you a question and give you 4 different ways of agreeing with the poster, or they are like this one, where the poster's opinion is the one that is first.

Sorry LFG, looks to me like you DO think its overpowered, and you DO want it nerfed hard.

P.S the ring is not 'bugged' its working exactly as the description says it will. It may be overpowered, but it's certainly not bugged. I also have to LOL at anyone in exile who has the balls to call faction players easy-moders.

LOL

Two points:
Of course I put the poll choices in a descending order. I do that with all my poll choices, look back at my history. The choices are written in a neutral tone, with every reasonable choice listed. I didn't even vote in this or express an opinion until it had been up for 2 days, so I could see what the feedback was.
I never said this item was "bugged", and I agree it's working exactly as intended. In my opinion, it isn't right, regardless of whether it's working as intended or not. As another example, the entrance to KC is working as intended, even though it allows farmers with level 14s to zone in and warp mobs. Is it a "bug" that allows people with no business in a heroic zone to zone? Nope. But that didn't stop me from reporting this in everyway I know how, asking for that to be changed so that you must be at least level 60 to zone in. That would solve the problem, the same way that the problem with this item would be solved if the proc rate was reduced from 20 to 5 percent.

Paikis · 01-28-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I report bugs in game when I see things that aren't right, even when the problem benefits me.

The item is nice, but it certainly isnt a bug. I'd love to get the priest only ring which makes me immune to control effects, but it isnt going to happen... doens't mean I report it jsut because it's nice and i can't use it.

I did like your options for the poll. They were unbiased, which is nice for a change.

LFG · 01-28-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

The item is nice, but it certainly isnt a bug.

Ya, I didn't intend to suggest it was bugged.

But the effect on this thing makes it so you lose target every several seconds when fighting someone who has it. It's annoying as hell, as if someone was hitting FD every 2 to 3 seconds. It makes taunt seem ridiculously underpowered by comparison. My main point is, I'd like PVP to involve something more than spamming assist or last target, and that's what PVP feels like it is reduced to with this item.

LFG · 01-28-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Popsi

we are all here to PvP yes, some people exile to get the best PVE gear to make them better at PVP, what can the faction guilds do to compete against this armor, im no hardcore raider dont get me wrong if i wanted to raid i would have applied to an exile guild a long long time ago, but the factions guilds SIMPLY cannot kill the mobs that the exile guilds can so eaisly, it will take us months an dmonths of pulls on mobs that ar ebeing farmed right now by onyx and kraken. we need the pvp items to be powerful to compete against the 'pve'ers' on the server who have the best gear not because they are good at pvp or spend a long time pvping, but because they can kill mobs we cant.

example : my guild has just started tier 2, weve killed a few nameds in tier2 alredy,but we know for 100% FACT, that as a qeynos guild right now, we cant clear temple of korsha, not saying its impossible, but with the qeynos classes i think are dps is gonna ahve to go up a shit tonne to clear it, the only reason we cant kill kodux and zarda is cos we cant do enuf dps, for no other reason

but exiles an kill it with ease cos they have all classes, tell me now why it is fair on a pvp server that the people who pvp more get less rewards for pvping than those who dont pvp.

seems abuot fair to me that these items are very powerful tbh.

I'd like to also point out that this item has absolutely nothing to do with PVE, it's strictly a PVP item, so your comparison about what PVE and PVP guilds can get in this case doesn't make sense.

I agree with you that faction guilds should be able to buy high quality fabled PVP gear with the tokens they farm PVPing, in most cases hopefully that will put them on par with raiding guilds in PVP. But this item isn't intended to do that. The damage proc won't even work on epic mobs.

So this item won't really help city guilds kill raid mobs or give them any advantage in catching up to PVE guilds in terms of raid capabilities.

EDIT: Would a tank in a city guild that only did group instances want to wear this item while doing a group instance? I don't think so, agro would be bouncing all over the place. So this item has nada to to with PVE, except maybe to reduce mob dps while soloing.

Popsi · 01-28-2008, 12:07 PM

no but thats why the items are powerful, because every class has acces to equally powerful items on the merchant, it sjust that exiles dont, and thats the only faction that complains. that is a fact.

p.s LFG, eq2 is 100% about targeting, it always has been, i dont like it either, thats why aoc looks good but dont complain about targeting when you've always had to target ppl quickly over and over since pvp first was brought in. i use 'F key' for target next hostile if that helps

Horknut · 01-28-2008, 12:36 PM

Out of curiosity, that screen shot shows the item with the PvP box unchecked.

Does the effect frequency change when the PvP box is checked?

Just a wonderin ...

aeeron · 01-28-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Popsi

ok fair enough, soz i get you, but the items are powerful for a reason... the reason is this :

we are all here to PvP yes, some people exile to get the best PVE gear to make them better at PVP, what can the faction guilds do to compete against this armor, im no hardcore raider dont get me wrong if i wanted to raid i would have applied to an exile guild a long long time ago, but the factions guilds SIMPLY cannot kill the mobs that the exile guilds can so eaisly, it will take us months an dmonths of pulls on mobs that ar ebeing farmed right now by onyx and kraken. we need the pvp items to be powerful to compete against the 'pve'ers' on the server who have the best gear not because they are good at pvp or spend a long time pvping, but because they can kill mobs we cant.

example : my guild has just started tier 2, weve killed a few nameds in tier2 alredy,but we know for 100% FACT, that as a qeynos guild right now, we cant clear temple of korsha, not saying its impossible, but with the qeynos classes i think are dps is gonna ahve to go up a shit tonne to clear it, the only reason we cant kill kodux and zarda is cos we cant do enuf dps, for no other reason

but exiles an kill it with ease cos they have all classes, tell me now why it is fair on a pvp server that the people who pvp more get less rewards for pvping than those who dont pvp.

seems abuot fair to me that these items are very powerful tbh.

Qeynos has a better shot at clearing it then freeport nooob. I feel this item is overpowered though, at 10% i would say the item is fine though.

LFG · 01-28-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Popsi

p.s LFG, eq2 is 100% about targeting, it always has been, i dont like it either, thats why aoc looks good but dont complain about targeting when you've always had to target ppl quickly over and over since pvp first was brought in. i use 'F key' for target next hostile if that helps

I'm the first to admit that I'm one of the biggest PVP nubs on the server. I'm also frequently astounded by how different PVP is from PVE, in terms of strats and what you gotta do while fighting.

But this spam next target bullshit is making my head swim. The frequency of the proc on this item has turned "PVP" into "PVnext target spam". It's freaking annoying as hell - this is no longer a game of retargetting every 10 to 20 seconds, it's now a game of retargetting about every 2 seconds. My enjoyment of PVP is greatly reduced by the annoyance factor on this item. IMO, all this unpleasant little item is going to do is keep more people who can't get it from zoning outside of Haven after raids. Mark my words, if they don't cut that proc by half at least, all it's going to do is reduce your PVP opportunities further.

Nihlathak · 01-28-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Sadly no... it has a 5% chance to proc a break target (i.e. almost never) = horrible ability which breaks after "any" damage .. everyone thinks is awesome...

~Daimyo the last showgun

Ah okay, sorry I was mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Yeah, I was under the impression (mistaken apparently) that concealment caused a target drop... it doesnt, checked, its 5%.

Does anyone know if the racial detaunts cause target drops?

I'm pretty sure the Dark Elf detaunt works properly, at least.

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Originally Posted by Demron

Depends on how the deagro acts. Some deagro's will not allow you to retarget for "up to" 3 seconds.

It's an instant retarget.

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Originally Posted by LFG

EDIT: Would a tank in a city guild that only did group instances want to wear this item while doing a group instance? I don't think so, agro would be bouncing all over the place. So this item has nada to to with PVE, except maybe to reduce mob dps while soloing.

Averted Eyes doesn't work like that, trust me. I tank with it on alot. If you'll look at the description it has no modification to the wearer's HATE or AGGRO POSITION, which are all that effects who a monster will be killing. Even if it's effect did work, it would only make the monster stop hitting the tank for a moment and reconsider it's hate list, but the tank would still be at the top so it would only /shrug and retarget the tank.

Everyone who's voting purely on the 20% factor of the proc should keep in mind the fact that it has (in my experience at least) a high rate of resistability and it doesn't actually wind up detargetting NEARLY as much as you'd think it would.

Johnathon · 01-28-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Yeh, I know for a fact there is a priest only shield with this effect and there is an earring for mage as well I think. Sure about shield.. earring i'd need to confirm...

This is a worthy reward for 300 tokens... imo not at all OP..

If the item/effect is available to all, then it is very hard to be classified as being OP... in combination with other degarro? only the rogues get efficient deaggro skillz... my assassin gets 1 and a slow cast invis... nothing to see there tbh.. especially if all it takes is a "macro" o getlast hostile target..

~Daimyo the last shogun

I may be retarded, but evade (\aITEM 575250613 1672864666:Evade (Master I)\/a) drops the attackers target...soo.. yeah.. we all know the recast on that.