Is this item overpowered for PVP? - Page 5

Daimyo · 01-28-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnathon

I may be retarded, but evade (\aITEM 575250613 1672864666:Evade (Master I)\/a) drops the attackers target...soo.. yeah.. we all know the recast on that.

That's the deaggro I was refering too...

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Daimyo · 01-28-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I don't have a problem with any other item I've seen bud, none of them. But this effect with it's proc rate isn't on any other item in game. You can't get anything like this by raiding. I think there's a reason that everyone with enough tokens is buying this item first, before any other item. People are voting with their tokens this is the most powerful item you can buy with tokens. It is overpowered.

Wrong..

There is a "priest only " shield with this exact proc on it.. go figure..

P.S. Dispersion is more powerful than this effect imo. Dispersion + manashield = broker and OP .. maybe you can do a poll on that tbh and see what the community thinks!

~Daimyo the last shogun..

LFG · 01-28-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Wrong..

There is a "priest only " shield with this exact proc on it.. go figure..

Ok, my mistake on that then. I am just a PVP noob afterall.

LFG · 01-28-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnathon

I may be retarded, but evade (\aITEM 575250613 1672864666:Evade (Master I)\/a) drops the attackers target...soo.. yeah.. we all know the recast on that.

I can also enjoy this uber ability on my SK every five minutes with FD.

Demron · 01-28-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Wrong..

There is a "priest only " shield with this exact proc on it.. go figure..

P.S. Dispersion is more powerful than this effect imo. Dispersion + manashield = broker and OP .. maybe you can do a poll on that tbh and see what the community thinks!

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Snare + Root, move to 45 meters and Manashield ticks away useless. An easy skill to learn. If you don't have roots or snares you can stun/stifle, and move, or work your tinkering and throw troll snot at the Wizard or Warlock.

Very easy for anyone, even a botter to figure out how to counter. I could give you more ways, but why should I tell you how to beat my newest class?

Dispersion negates one attack, deagro negates 1-3 seconds worth of attacks. Even more on a Brigand or Swashbuckler who uses their taunts effectively making it so you can't switch targets (or acquire one) after you've had taunt, then deagro thrown on you.

firamas · 01-28-2008, 03:45 PM

all of you arguing that "targeting is what PvP is all about" should immediately cease and desist trying to give advice in a forum that devs read. we all know the devs are impressionable people, and they might read this and think we want MORE OF THESE AWESOME TARGET JUGGLING MECHANICS.

/sarcasm OFF

playe cast taunts and detaunts are part of PvP, and i'd say a very important part. with their relatively long recast (15, 30, 60 second, etc) timers there isnt much room for "spamming" detaunts. why should one item give scouts the ability to more than quadruple the number of detargets that they could otherwise naturally do through CA's? why should every other archetype get access to this effect as well?

RoK has been all about stupidly overpowered and annoying PvP effects. with the limited developer attention for PvP i don't expect it to change for a long, long time. this is the kind of reason i don't actively PvP. i'd go back to a PvE server, but i have a nice maxed level character here that i can still raid endgame content with, and a guild with some great people in it, so why would i leave?

plus, i can run around every once in awhile and blow up some soloing assclowns with my OP solo scout class. it's not really fulfilling at all, but it's a good way to channel some of my hatred towards the eternally broken PvP dynamics... by exploiting them!

p.s. fuck your mothers.

Pett · 01-28-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Popsi

ok fair enough, soz i get you, but the items are powerful for a reason... the reason is this :

we are all here to PvP yes, some people exile to get the best PVE gear to make them better at PVP, what can the faction guilds do to compete against this armor, im no hardcore raider dont get me wrong if i wanted to raid i would have applied to an exile guild a long long time ago, but the factions guilds SIMPLY cannot kill the mobs that the exile guilds can so eaisly, it will take us months an dmonths of pulls on mobs that ar ebeing farmed right now by onyx and kraken. we need the pvp items to be powerful to compete against the 'pve'ers' on the server who have the best gear not because they are good at pvp or spend a long time pvping, but because they can kill mobs we cant.

example : my guild has just started tier 2, weve killed a few nameds in tier2 alredy,but we know for 100% FACT, that as a qeynos guild right now, we cant clear temple of korsha, not saying its impossible, but with the qeynos classes i think are dps is gonna ahve to go up a shit tonne to clear it, the only reason we cant kill kodux and zarda is cos we cant do enuf dps, for no other reason

but exiles an kill it with ease cos they have all classes, tell me now why it is fair on a pvp server that the people who pvp more get less rewards for pvping than those who dont pvp.

seems abuot fair to me that these items are very powerful tbh.

We've killed Kodux and Zarda without brigands. All your post says is "Hey, we like excuses." Both Kraken and Onyx have cleared the zones in EoF raid and RoK heroic gear.

This specific deaggro item is available to all 6 scouts and all 6 fighters in Freeport and Qeynos, and you're trying to compare it to Dispersion + Manashield which affects 2 classes total in all three factions?

Dispersion items do not proc while out of combat, which is often the scenario since more times than not, the scout will get the jump on the mage. I'm in for this item, at 20% proc chance, being overpowered.

Daimyo · 01-28-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Demron

deagro negates 1-3 seconds worth of attacks.

Nah.. if you have a hot-key set to select last hostile target you can re-select almost instantly... go figure.. but like you said - i don't want to give away all my tactics on my old char

Like with dispersion you have to get hit for this effect to proc.... but this item does not completely negate any and all damage and proc +power (which also regenerates manashield)..

I'm not sure if fighters can use it now tbh.. i'll just consider they can from what someone else said.. meaning plenty of classes have access to this item.. in both cities.. not to mention priests get the same proc on a shield.. looks like mages are the only classes to not benefit from it.. but like we have all said before...

Dispersion >>> averted eyes ..... (especially combined with MS)...

That is why dispersion is relavent in this thread.. because it more than compensates for this mild proc which is available to everyone else..

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Pett · 01-29-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Nah.. if you have a hot-key set to select last hostile target you can re-select almost instantly... go figure.. but like you said - i don't want to give away all my tactics on my old char

Like with dispersion you have to get hit for this effect to proc.... but this item does not completely negate any and all damage and proc +power (which also regenerates manashield)..

I'm not sure if fighters can use it now tbh.. i'll just consider they can from what someone else said.. meaning plenty of classes have access to this item.. in both cities.. not to mention priests get the same proc on a shield.. looks like mages are the only classes to not benefit from it.. but like we have all said before...

Dispersion >>> averted eyes ..... (especially combined with MS)...

That is why dispersion is relavent in this thread.. because it more than compensates for this mild proc which is available to everyone else..

~Daimyo the last shogun..

Dispersion compensates for the lack of physical mitigation on mages, not this "mild proc."

Popsi · 01-29-2008, 02:32 AM

ok it doesnt matter what you think of the balance n this game we all know its ufcked up, but having mages with 35% stoneskin +whatever stoneskin buffs they get from their grp is overpowered, manashield lasts forever, goign for mages in grp pvp is pointless, it makes more sense to burn the tank now because hes easier to damage than the coercer? thats fucked up, i dont care wtf class u say i play and how powerful it is, but this is screwed imo. 1 little item for scouts that deaggros 20% and ppl cry nerf? without looking at the other item? theres a priest buckler weve tlaked about, theres about 20 uber uber uber items on that merchant, so before u cry nerf for one maybe look into the rest of them first