Is this item overpowered for PVP? - Page 7

Hael · 01-29-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

All the classes get powerful PvP items (they are supposed to be powerful)... and i'm sure powerful PvE orientated raid loot...

Go figure...

What is annoying for me is that when someone invests a large amount of time into aquiring these unique items, there is a mass of people who complain about them.

What is sad is... these complainers generally fit into the catagory of people who haven't invested any significant amount of time into the game in the same way. i.e. they don't pvp a lot and when they get owned by someone who does and has pvp items.. they come here and complain.

The mechanic isn't broken nor is it in anyway OP imo.. however.. there are people out there who would like to nerf gear they are too lazy to get..

I haven't read a single thread about any priest with the shield and that effect being OP on them. Why? because there is only probably 2 priests on nagafen who have the shield and not enough people have been owned by it yet who are too lazy to gear up themselves..

/yawn..

~Daimyo the last shogun

P.S. As colourful as the poll is.. it is clearly unfair and not very clear. Why? because it should also state what classes have voted since I'm sure someone with this item will vote for a boost or it's stable vs. all the mages who complain and want it nerf'd.

Therefore if twice as many mages vote, the poll is clearly wrong and unaccurate. Same as if twice as many scouts with the item vote.. This ofcourse is not set in stone but "who" votes should be taken into consideration..

Lol, go look at my gear, and then tell me I haven't invested a lot of time. There is NO FUCKING REASON pvp gear should be better than PVE gear.

So you're a fucking scout who can solo, get tokens, and get better than endgame quality gear for doing your own thing, where as other people who enjoy pve as much as pvp have to coordinate with at a minimum of 24 other people in order to get their gear, several hours a night.

And obviously your opinion is that it isn't overpowered, you're a scout who can use it. I can't use the shield with the effect but it is very different for someone with massive burst dps to be untargetable as opposed to someone with slow DPS to be untargetable. Im not going to obliterate someone in 8 seconds while being untouched.

On top of it being over powered in the first place, the question remaining is, why should overpowered effects be limited to pvp gear and only obtainable in that fashion? There are no PVE effects out of anyones reach.

firamas · 01-29-2008, 01:12 PM

averted eyes (the effect as it stands now, regardless of the item its on) gives classes the ability to MASSIVELY increase the amount of deaggros available to them. it gives scouts the ability to MASSIVELY increase the # of deaggros (per period of time) available to them normally through CA's, and it gives priests and fighters the baseline ability to now massively deaggro, which is a skill they never had in the first place... so what brilliant item dev thought it'd be balanced to put something that powerful on an item? this needs to be nerfed.

dispersion gear gives classes that are supposed to have a low ability to withstand damage a MASSIVELY increased ability to soak damage. in the case of groups, the effect is multiplicative to insane levels. this needs to be nerfed.

there would not be any bitching here if the itemization devs had some fucking forethought and realized what a 20% reactive detarget or a 35-60% stoneskin effect would actually translate to in real PvP combat. if they would have gone live as a 5% chance to deaggro on averted eyes, and a 2% (per item) chance to stoneskin on dispersion gear, it'd have been balanced and no one would be bitching.

Narkle · 01-29-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

As I just said, these items are supposed to be powerful. 7% just makes it well.. not powerful... and not worth 300 tokens.. go figure..

~Daimyo the last shogun

7% on top of other de-agros mixed with bard/other trigger chance buffs is nowhere near un-powerful...Not to mention the fact these are raid quality items even if it was 7% and if you don't raid 300 tokens is damn worth it...Never thought I would see the day scouts cried clothies were overpowered

EDIT: Dispersion gear should have a max % allowed though..That I can agree on

firamas · 01-29-2008, 01:23 PM

300 tokens is not that much. start making this stuff cost 1000 tokens and then it'll be balanced against the effort required to get it. i'm sick and tired of hearing people cry about how expensive they think PvP gear is... jesus christ the expansion has only been out for a bit over 2 months now and some people have earned 1200-1500+ tokens. gtfo.

LFG · 01-29-2008, 01:44 PM

I'd like to say also, I'd have no problem with this effect if the damage was increased to compensate for a reduced proc rate. My only problem with the item is the sheer annoyance and hassle of fighting someone who has one. It makes me want to not PVP with those people at all.

LFG · 01-29-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by firamas

there would not be any bitching here if the itemization devs had some fucking forethought and realized what a 20% reactive detarget or a 35-60% stoneskin effect would actually translate to in real PvP combat. if they would have gone live as a 5% chance to deaggro on averted eyes, and a 2% (per item) chance to stoneskin on dispersion gear, it'd have been balanced and no one would be bitching.

I am once again astounded by my complete agreement with another of your posts.

LFG · 01-29-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hael

There is NO FUCKING REASON pvp gear should be better than PVE gear.

Again, I totally agree. This effect must be either added to the loot tables in VP or reduced if PVP is expected to be balanced in EQ2.

Pinski · 01-29-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Again, I totally agree. This effect must be either added to the loot tables in VP or reduced if PVP is expected to be balanced in EQ2.

I completely disagree. PvP loot should be better than PvE loot for PvPing, period. That's the whole point of PvP loot, to PvP with! PvE loot should be better for PvEing than PvP gear, period! I don't see how somebody can think that PvP loot should be worse than PvE loot for PvPing. People don't raid to PvP, they PvP to PvP hence the whole point of PvP loot! Now if you go into exile you have to PvE to PvP because of how you get gear, but exile isn't supposed to be a faction that you use.

Illuminator · 01-29-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hael

where as other people who enjoy pve as much as pvp have to coordinate with at a minimum of 24 other people in order to get their gear, several hours a night.

Sounds like you know the name of the game but are pretending otherwise.

LFG · 01-29-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

I completely disagree. PvP loot should be better than PvE loot for PvPing, period. That's the whole point of PvP loot, to PvP with! PvE loot should be better for PvEing than PvP gear, period! I don't see how somebody can think that PvP loot should be worse than PvE loot for PvPing. People don't raid to PvP, they PvP to PvP hence the whole point of PvP loot! Now if you go into exile you have to PvE to PvP because of how you get gear, but exile isn't supposed to be a faction that you use.

You are saying that Exile faction isn't for PVPing, it's just a faction intended for PVE?