firamas

average top of the line T7 weapons: ~87 DR
average top of the line T8 weapons: ~100 DR
average increase in DR: 14.9%

average max HP in T7: ??
average max HP in T8: ??

you fill in the blanks there for your archetype. then tell me if you didn't gain at least 15% more max HP. ITS A WHOLE NEW FUCKING TIER, OF COURSE SHIT HITS HARDER. now, where do you get this whole "disproportionate" nonsense from? do you even understand how autoattack works? do you know what the following equation means: (DR = min+max/delay)? are you ever, EVER going to have a clue?

Dankshasta

so are you saying that autoattack damage only increased 12%(lvl70-80, and dr averages combined)? Are you saying that these DRs tell the whole story? Seriously are you trying to come off like a moron? Is this sarcasm? The DRs fail to tell even 1/3 of te story, if you don;t realize that your an.....well anyway everyone knows that.



OMFG!! Become why don't you shut that fucking cum trap of yours and go PvP, instead of only talking about it!!

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firamas

every day i oscillate between the following two philosophies:
1) "you people are morons and deserve to stew in your ignorance"
2) "i feel sorry for the fact that you people are morons, and i will try to educate you"

i usually go with #2, but fuck, you guys are making it difficult.

Pett

Auto attack is "disproportionate". Yeah, damage ratings have increased on weapons, but what you're also forgetting is the itemization -- all of the crit, double attack, CA damage, haste, dps, everything.

That can equal more than 30% increase to auto attack.

Demron

Damage Rating doesn't take into account the first free hit you get the second you start an attack, this is why 4-9 second delay weapons are much more powerful than a 1.6 delay weapon with a better Damage Rating.

Likewise, Damage Rating doesn't take into account the critical hits, or double attacks that fire off that first FREE SWING you get the second you start your attacks.

Damage rating would make more sense if your first auto attack didn't happen until the delay of the weapon has expired.

firamas

well first off, strike CA damage from that list, because that doesnt affect autoattack. i won't even call you a moron for that one, pett, even though i should.

secondly, exactly how much more crit/DA/haste/DPS are melee getting over casters spell crits and their BoE? anything? less, maybe, if we're looking at how much crit casters are getting on legendary and raid gear?

are we also completely discounting the procs and effects on healer gear for some reason?

show me the bonuses granted by a full suit of T8 melee armor (fighter, scout, i dont care which archetype you pick) that are leading to this massively "disproportionate" increase in autoattack damage? link us the armor and list out the total of all the autoattack affecting bonuses. (yes, i can do the math myself, i just want you to do it in front of everyone so you can see for yourself how dumb this argument is).

and once you've done that, i'll do the same for a full suit of good mage gear, and we can see what they've gained in T8. and then i'll do the same for a full suit of healer gear, and we can see what they've gained in T8.

how does anyone not understand that hitting harder means you hit less often? that's the basics of how a weapon's DR is determined. higher max damage means it has to be slower. oh, and there is ONE melee weapon that is marginally slower than the 4.0 sec delay that was widespread in T7... and that's the nathsar shortsword. and no self-respecting PvPer uses that piece of shit when there are far better weapons available (either PvP or raid obtained weapons). outside of that one trashy legendary weapon that seems to be causing so much undue consternation, you're seeing the same crop of 2.5-4.0 sec weapons as before, except the DR is ~15% higher because of the new tier.

i am willing to bet most people gained a lot more than 15% max hp (unless you shed T7 fabled for T8 legendary and took a HP hit, which is not my problem). healers gained a whole lot of heal crit, +heal, and heal procs in T8.

i really don't see what the crying is about, and unless someone can prove this to me with facts and numbers instead of simply... well... crying, you can all continue to fuck off and like it.

Demron

Firamas

Do you know how they figure the damage rating of a weapon?

Pett

You mean to say you don't cast CA's at all while PvPing? No wonder you can't hold your own against a caster as a brigand. Go ahead, call me a moron... Because you'd be the only one, dumbass.

If you haven't noticed how much more you're auto-attacking in this expansion, then you're not helping yourself. In T7, I'd say the average melee crit was 20% with the hardcore raiders hitting 30%. Now the average melee crit is a lot closer to 50% with hardcore raiders able to go beyond that mark. Double attack was non-existent for predators unless there was an illusionist or the ranger was specced for it (excluding EoF 7-set because only 1 ranger on nagafen has it).

Now, boys and girls, what happens when melee crit is increased? Oh yeah, auto-attack hits Top End more often. Then OH MY GOSH WHAT"S THIS!!! Oh it's Double Attack, children. Now that Top End crit can double in damage, thus, allowing more damage! Now assassins and everyone else can run around with 15-20% double attack solo.

That's why PvP loves the Nathsar Shortsword--for the ganking. Double attack for a total of at least 4k anyone?

Pett

Yeah sure. My health jumped from 6600 to a whopping 7100. Totally justifies auto attack going from 500 max to 2k max. In T7, there was no scout that could kill me in melee before my reactives ate him up. Now I can be easily auto-attacked through reactives, even with all my OVERPOWERING SPELL CRIT OMG, BECOME IS SO RIGHT!

firamas

here you have it, boys a girls, a 400% increase in autoattack. who knew such crazy imbalances were awaiting us? THE END IS NEAR.