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Encounters did become easier after they fixed the lag issues in EH, made Rumbler killable, etc.

But an equally viable reason for Europa's success, may have instead been them developing the motivation and will to succeed at the end of the expansion, rather than at the beginning or middle of it.

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Fooflehag

Just an FYI, Europa formed up June 30th, with less than an x2 of, more or less, experienced raiders. None of which had cleared 1st floor EH, Treyloth or 3rd named in MMIS.
Wuoshi firstkilled October 14th.
We got our Soulfire's August 26th, 4 days after our raidleader told Dankshasta that it was possible to defeat these encounters in a faction, and that we'd be showing off our Soulfire's on FP docks, August 26th. As we did.

Most our toons wasn't even on Nagafen at EoF launch btw.

You can say all you want about this only being because these encounters were nerfed, and I'll keep saying that we would have killed them pre-nerf anyways, had we had the chance. None of us played/geared up on Darathar @ EoF launch, since we more or less had given up on the game and only re-activated when transfers went live.

Skilled players > all classes

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firamas

I've already stated before in recent threads that I think Venekor should be merged with Nagafen. Or, all PvP servers should be opened up for another free character move, and whoever still decides to stay behind in that ghost town has no reason to complain.

And of course I am speaking from a Nagafen perspective. A 3 faction balance only works on a populated server. Which Venekor is not. Don't ask me to feel sorry for those people who couldn't see this coming and didn't move the last time they had free transfers. You guys (well, you, since you're the only vocal idiot I see) from Venekor can bitch and complain about the lack of PvP and dying population all you want, but until you start doing things to correct it (publicly petition SoE for a server merge or transfer), you are cordially invited to STFU.

I stand by my desire for a balanced 3 faction system. The benefits are obvious, the mechanics are already in game, and the population can be trusted to self-regulate the faction balance as far as #'s.

Dankshasta

Mayong was nerfed HARDCORE, before you guys got your soulfire's. When i said a faction wasn't gonna kill Mayong, I was right! SOE obviously saw the same things I did, and nerfed the encounter. Rumbler, two other EH encounters, and finally the Woushi encounter were all nerfed as well.[ Do I think they were a good faction raid guild? Sure of course I do. I do truly believe the first Eternal was better, but that was almost a year before SOE started making the encounters beatable by a faction. Also I could dig up the posts from Saleen in the week prior to this. He was being typical lying ass Saleen, by not mentioning the Mayong Touch changes.

I truly can't give Europa much credit. The mender bot exploits, the Pawbuster exploits, the way some of thier members were deleveled by Sony, and of course the whole mangina saga, all of this leaves me with an impression of a guild that has little to be proud of imho.

Eternal hit a wall in FP faction right before we exiled, and to further illustrate how much of a factor was are being in a faction and raiding; on our first trip into MMIS on the second day of being exiled, having merged with Arbour, we beat the Mayong encounter. On our second try we killed the Rumbler (that was a tough encounter back then)

In closing had those EoF encounters been nerfed prior to Eternal exiling, I have little doubt we would have smashed them, and we wouldn;t have needed any menderbot, or bruiser pulling exploits to do it!!

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Fooflehag

You won't give Europa much credit. It's another thing.
And that's fine. My ego can give enough credit for two!
The mender bot exploits? rrrite, you never really noticed how that wasn't really...possible? In any useable way, right?
Pawbuster? What? Seriously...what?
The delevel thingie was the funniest. Never knew what why or who.
The mangina saga? Uhm, like that was one guy, not the guild. Noone even knew, when Europa was formed, or disbanded, so uhm... yeah.
If I'm not mistaken, he was once in a guild you yourself were in... huh? huh? huh?

Your funny.

And btw, you of all people offering, or taking away, your credit....c'mon...really?


All in all, I can't wait, till Insurrection is waving around their epics, laughing their asses off.

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Dankshasta

Don't take me wrong Foofle, I said you guys were a good raid guild. I truly believe you were the best in a faction before you left. All I'm really saying is that there are more things to consider when talking about your faction raid kills. Alot of things happened to make those wins possible, and it wasn't as if you fought the same encounters that we fought a year before. I think we can agree on that, right?

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firamas

Great. Look who's back. Since Shasta has shat his usual verbal diarhhea all over this, we can pronounce this thread dead for all useful intents and purposes.

Hael

I rarely say anything publicly that would bash a guild, and that isn't the intent of what I am about to say, but will come across that way.

What was Kraken's excuse in EoF Dank? I mean you are throwing stones @ Europa and playing down their accomplishments to nerfs, WTF took Kraken so long to kill the mobs in EOF b/c they sure as hell were nerfed before you guys took the hard ones down?

Again, I am only bringing that up to prove a point. Kraken @ that time was not a motivated raiding guild. It is the players skill and desire that make the guild successful.

It is obviously a different story now. Kraken is doing well and they are motivated.

UGAdawg

WTF was the Woushi nerf? I musta missed that one.

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Pett

Wuoshi was never nerfed but was made harder since you couldn't counter AE's anymore.