Raiding in FP and Qeynos - Page 7

Fibs · 02-20-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAdawg

And incase you missed it...

People trying to raid in cities are just too fucking stupid to succeed

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It probably counts for nothing, but it would appear that just about everyone who voted that option are exiled players....

Zexxii · 02-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAdawg

You want us to go back to T7 and fraps an encounter? Insurrection just killed Overking in T2 of ROK with a FP only guild. It's just a matter of time until they clear through Venril and Leviathan and are in VP. However, that's where the problem is going to lie. There are a few encounters in there that only a handful of guilds WW have cleared thus far and without changes, FP and Q guilds will be roadblocked

In Onyx, we raid 7 nights/week and have spent countless hours on the same encounter. I don't think many other guilds have that type of dedication. Correct me if I'm wrong.

ok, would you try it with only Q toons, just for kicks, seriously, i'm just interested in the results,

and yea, i get the 7 days a week raiding thing, i used to do it, but i did it on a pve server

UGAdawg · 02-20-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fibs

It probably counts for nothing, but it would appear that just about everyone who voted that option are exiled players....

Most exiled players raided in the cities before coming to exile. While I have not raided with FP, I did raid with several FP guilds before and after coming to exile. It's not exactly contested that exile is the faction for hard-core players, which, tend to be more dedicated, skilled, and determined then the casual raid guilds.

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Originally Posted by Zexxii

ok, would you try it with only Q toons, just for kicks, seriously, i'm just interested in the results,

and yea, i get the 7 days a week raiding thing, i used to do it, but i did it on a pve server

I have no doubt in my mind that we could clear T1-T4 up to Nexona with a FP or Q only guild. No one is really denying this fact. Some of those encounters that you guys haven't gotten to yet can be done with ~15 people w/o a problem.

I'd venture to guess that there's more exiles pvping then there are from each of the factions. I see about 3-4 groups, total, out pvping when I'm out and if I'm in a group, then most people just evac from us.

Camping Sokar Posts get boring after a while, it's good to mix it up with some raiding.

Meatman · 02-20-2008, 03:07 PM

This is Meat from Insurrection, I hear things constantly in chat about how it’s impossible to do things with a city faction, but truthfully I find it funny how many people in the factions complain about a scission in classes. Truth of a matter is all it takes for any raid guild to succeed is a luminary leader. The problem that city factions have is the raid setup, among other things. I’ll be apodictic in this statement, the reason any half decent guild can clear T1 is because these zones are facile with any raid force having a MT group. Let’s be honest, the MT group is always has close to the same setup. The other three groups in the raid vary from raid to raid.Now when it comes to T2 and higher, you can’t go in these zones with a half ass raid setup and expect to clear them. Everyone on the raid has to be fully adept III or higher, and be close to fully adorned. See the thing Exiles have over Freeport is they have all the classes so their raid setup does not consist with the same class stacked up in groups. That is a problem in many city factions. You have a bunch of the same classes wanting to raid. Well when you put two of the same class in a group you loose out on utility & an overall decline on DPS. Get a raid leader who knows how to form a raid and you’ll notice a difference. It’s the raid setup why we can push out 60k DPS as a city faction. I’m sure Exiles are close to 75k.Now another thing that hurts faction raiding guilds is members is not being able to retain members and keep the raid gear in your guild. When somebody get’s geared out and leaves your guild to Exile to join the PvE raiding scene, it hurts the whole guild. Now you have to replace that member who was pushing 3-6k dps every raid for somebody who don’t’ have the same gear to get only 1-2k dps. In the city factions the rare classes, clerics, shamans, bards, enchanters there isn’t a huge pool to choose from, so you have to take what you can get. Insurrection’s success on raiding is because the guild is able to retain members so were slowly progressing. I remember the first few times we’ve killed Imzok I couldn’t tank him for more than 30 seconds if the staff’s in the back weren’t brought down right away because the debuffs wore off. Now it’s a different story the whole raid force grown and he dies fast.Insurrection is a casual raid guild, sure we raid 5 days a week but nothing is mandated to make our members raid. I’m sure if we weren’t a casual raid guild we’d be in VP already because we would of spent 5-10 hours pulling the same mob like PvE guilds do. We’ll make it there sometime soon though, as were constantly learning new mobs.
To all the Q guilds bitching, I'd love to have a templar as that class is the only one who makes a significant difference. I'm sure the Brigands debuffs would help you to, but the swashy debuffs make up for that.

Vydar · 02-20-2008, 03:32 PM

Speaking from a Vox perspective, the cities don't have the dedication in their players.

People interested in raiding exile. People who aren't dedicated enough or are unwilling to raid 4-5 hours a day, 5 days a week or more stay in cities.

We aren't the best exile guild around (still stuck on Overking) but that's also due to a lack of solid players on Vox. We can't find a single solid warlock, and the lack of AE DPS is a big cock block on us moving forward.

I tried it in Freeport on Vox for two years, and its a joke. You have to teach people the baby steps, hold their hands through every game mechanic, teach them retarded shit they would have learned in level 1-70 had they actually leveled their toon instead of buying it.

I wouldn't say people in factions are too stupid, far from it. They are uncoordinated, care more about guild tags and treating EQ2 as MSN or Yahoo messenger than they do a raiding challenge, and lack the game sense, skill, and dedication to down anything.

Of course, there are a few exceptions to this rule in factioned guilds, but not many.

Fibs · 02-20-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAdawg

Most exiled players raided in the cities before coming to exile. While I have not raided with FP, I did raid with several FP guilds before and after coming to exile. It's not exactly contested that exile is the faction for hard-core players, which, tend to be more dedicated, skilled, and determined then the casual raid guilds.

Fair enough.

I just didn't like the tone in that poll. It's pretty disrespectful and demeaning towards the more casual raiders, to be honest. The two alternatives are both equally ridiculous and untrue.

That said, I agree with you. Most city raiders are probably less dedicated than those in the premier raiding guilds in Haven. One of the reasons is that Haven is like a magnet on the hardcore raiders, so that is where most of them end up after a while. Which means less dedicated raiders left in the cities. Also, city life in EQ2 is also full of distractions. In Haven there just aren't that many other things to do outside raiding... well, at least if you count out chatting, messing around with illusions, playing leap frog or just staring at the cave walls. Yeah, I've been there too.

Are the city raiders less determined? Well yeah, what is raiding 3 days a week compared to 7? Nothing. And I think most city rats are quite unwilling to raid that much. Less skilled in general? Probably. You don't get that good at something if you don't put any time into it, that's how it is with all things in the world.

Or are they just too stupid to kill teh internet dragons? Sorry, but that's a ridiculous suggestion and serves no purpose except to piss people off and create flame wars. Yeah, I realize that this is EQ2 Flames and all, but the PvP developer does actually read on this forum...

Artur · 02-20-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Slyk

I see this point come up all the time about cities being held back from pve success because of a lack of classes and I think it's bullshit and a lame excuse to cover up their lack of a brain and/or skill. What does everyone else think?

Yeaah....Cause ever since the addition of exiles, on every server, exile guilds are almost always first to end game raid, if possible followed be Freeport, then Qeynos.

Sorry, but if you truly want to think all the sucky people play Q, decent people play Freep, and most awesome uberest people play Exile, you're an Idiot.

Artur · 02-20-2008, 09:41 PM

Sorry people, facts are facts. people now go exile if they want to raid because its EASIER. It is more difficult for a Q based Guild to Raid then a freep based one, and in turn more difficult for a freep based one then an Exile one.

These trends could be seen on ALL servers Alive now and those dead, simply by looking at their raid progressions. Yes there may be exceptions, but overall its pretty much just the way it is. You want End Game uber gear, you wont get it on the Q side, and probably not on the freep side( especially now since everyone want Exile). Thats just the way it is.

Throbbin · 02-21-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Artur

Sorry people, facts are facts. people now go exile if they want to raid because its EASIER. It is more difficult for a Q based Guild to Raid then a freep based one, and in turn more difficult for a freep based one then an Exile one.

These trends could be seen on ALL servers Alive now and those dead, simply by looking at their raid progressions. Yes there may be exceptions, but overall its pretty much just the way it is. You want End Game uber gear, you wont get it on the Q side, and probably not on the freep side( especially now since everyone want Exile). Thats just the way it is.

facts are facts you just need to learn them

We went exile when it was harder to get raid gear

We went exile when the pvp gear was better than raid gear

Q is easier to raid on than freeport

lol dead servers? when those servers died they were nowhere near middle proggresion even in exile

exile is not pve easy mode. we have it harder than the pve guilds in and out of instances

look at the top pvpers now and they were all the top pvpers when they were in the cities as well

You all want Onyx or Kraken to do a raid with only one side of classes. Unfortunately we are pretty busy this week and probably next but as soon as we get it a break Ill go even a step further and do it for you, fraps it, and make all my guys take off all of their raided ROK gear.

Now flip the tables for all the crying people out there. If I then ask you to exile and clear certain zones, which do you think will happen first? Onyx clearing with 1 faction or any faction guild clearing with all classes?

Now please tell me what zones you factioned guilds are having a hard time with where you think you need certain classes? If I have time I may do more than one.

Avaela · 02-21-2008, 12:06 AM

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