Things have gotten better, I'll give Aeralik some props. - Page 6

irad · 02-23-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by firamas

although the mechanics of the underlying game engine don't in any way support it, i am all for opening up instanced raid zones for 24v24 PvP.

like Hael said, after the first or second time you dumbasses got violated and lost some precious infamy, you'd go running back to the overworld zones with your tails between your legs. and that's not even considering the fact that Kraken or Onyx could zone into your raid instances too. the carnage would be immense.

with the exception of Europa pulling together an x4 of their guild + some random FP's when Kraken was pulling Valor a few months ago, I have never seen a serious attempt by a city faction to contest ANY of Kraken's or Onyx's pulls on contested mobs. at best a group or two will halfheartedly try once or twice, fail, lose fame, and go home crying. what makes you think you scared little shits would suddenly grow some balls if the Raid v Raid PvP was being held inside an instance instead? =)

The only reason you can stand up vs faction raids (when you decide to fight) is that you come out with a fully stacked raid. If it's not fear what is it? You are even worse than the Purity that you criticize so much. Btw it s kinda obvious a pve Raid would be very vulnerable to pvp raid designed to wipe them (not to take over some stupid mob)

firamas · 02-23-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by irad

The only reason you can stand up vs faction raids (when you decide to fight) is that you come out with a fully stacked raid.

When has a faction guild taken pulls on a contested in the last year that Kraken/Onyx have been exiled? Never? So what is your comment based on? Exiles don't make x4 raids to go scare off the occasional roaming x4 of faction idiots who camp posts/clouds.

We put together a raid for PVE purposes, and then take pulls on contested mobs. That's not "fully stacked" for PvP by any means. That's "constructing your raid so you can hopefully succeed at PVE".

I fail to see what point you're trying to make... there simply is nothing there to argue. Are you trying to say that Qeynos or Freeport guilds don't have the right people to succeed in PvP? =)

Cloakntuna · 02-23-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by firamas

When has a faction guild taken pulls on a contested in the last year that Kraken/Onyx have been exiled? Never? So what is your comment based on? Exiles don't make x4 raids to go scare off the occasional roaming x4 of faction idiots who camp posts/clouds.

We put together a raid for PVE purposes, and then take pulls on contested mobs. That's not "fully stacked" for PvP by any means. That's "constructing your raid so you can hopefully succeed at PVE".

I fail to see what point you're trying to make... there simply is nothing there to argue. Are you trying to say that Qeynos or Freeport guilds don't have the right people to succeed in PvP? =)

Get your facts straight before you talk plz. Europa took pulls on PHH iirc.

Phaust · 02-23-2008, 09:46 PM

Didn't Onyx have all contested mobs locked down?

I can't recall if Kraken managed to kill one at some point...

Avaela · 02-23-2008, 09:48 PM

Onyx was the only guild to kill an eof contested when eof was the current expansion. Kraken and Europa did take pulls on some but always failed miserably.

firamas · 02-24-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Avaela

Onyx was the only guild to kill an eof contested when eof was the current expansion. Kraken and Europa did take pulls on some but always failed miserably.

Just because the mob didn't die doesn't equate to a "miserable failure". Europa took a few pulls on PHH one day, and did pretty decently if I remember... however this was the only instance of any non-exile guild taking pulls on a contested in EOF. Kraken was after PHH for awhile and got it quite low on a number of pulls (many pulls under 25% and one memorable one to 6% which ended with a mysterious zone crash).

No one took pulls on avatars outside of Onyx and Kraken. In the later months of the expansion when Kraken started started taking a semi-serious stance on actually blocking avatars for once, Onyx was almost completely stifled and only got a few kills in (certainly nowhere near the loot farm domination that most PVE guilds had with their avatars on a complete respawn lockdown).

Kraken took a few pulls here and there on avatars, but only had a few nights where the raid setup was decent enough to actually learn anything useful towards beating those fights. The one time we mustered a serious raid force and got a clean pull on Valor, we got it down to ~45% quickly in a very stable fight, and would have almost certainly killed it if an x4 of Europa+random FP didn't drop on ours heads at that point. We had exactly 3 people "blocking" for that fight, so unlike Onyx we can't (well, we choose not to) rely on carting around huge amounts of block-bitches to help in that situation. =)

Contested mobs on a PvP server are virtually impossible to kill if there is even a semi-serious attempt to stop you. Dragging around a massive block force helps in that respect, but with the new L88 assbeating avatars in T8, don't expect any magic to happen as the fights are naturally bordering on the edge of instability for most guilds. It's pretty much a moot point unless the rest of the server decides to be lazy and give up on trying to stop you. (which was close to the situation Onyx had in early EoF)

Milambers · 02-24-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Demron

You're one of the idiots on the forums complaining about resists.. This is funny coming from you.

Im talking about your arrows missing you dumb fuck. Were you PvPing in defensive stance again?

Resists in T8 are a very large issue, but by all means move to nagafen so I can own you.

Pheelin · 02-25-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajjantis

Strange, wardens die in a matter of 5-30 seconds to me, i have NEVER lost to a warden on my brigand. Maybe you guys just suck

a brig should never lose to a healer.. when you can double up your taunt and basically make them buffless you should be able to kill all healers..

you should probably fight some better wardens tho, because a really good warden will make you fight longer than 30 seconds

Ajjantis · 02-26-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pheelin

a brig should never lose to a healer.. when you can double up your taunt and basically make them buffless you should be able to kill all healers..

you should probably fight some better wardens tho, because a really good warden will make you fight longer than 30 seconds

I know mate, but most of our wardens are not that good. So i cant expect any good fights. And as long as i dont meet a good one i'll just assume that the warden class is gimped along with furys and mystics. I see no way a fury ever surviving solo in pvp. And the taunt thing is a different story. While its a real powerfull debuff for me, it also gets resisted alot. So i will think twice about removing 4 buffs or just doing extra 3k dmg.

firamas · 02-26-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajjantis

And the taunt thing is a different story. While its a real powerfull debuff for me, it also gets resisted alot. So i will think twice about removing 4 buffs or just doing extra 3k dmg.

are you fucking kidding me? the taunt is by FAR the best thing brigs have going against healers. better than Dispatch, better than ANYthing. if you're not putting 5 AA's into it and taunting every 7.5 sec (and doubling it up when possible) then you're an idiot. it strips buffs, it strips heals, it's absolutely critical. try fighting a good healer with your "eh, taunt?" strategy, dude..