Are Necromancers Just Terrible? Am I Missing Something?

Arom · 02-25-2008, 02:26 AM

Hey,

I'm new to EQ2, have some experience MMoing in other games, cleared black temple in WoW etc.

Anyway rolled a necro about a week ago and have gotten adv lvl 21, and AA lvl 15.

My experience usually goes like this:

1) Melee class appears behind me.
2) Melee class ignores pet completely.
3) Melee class kills me in 2-4 hits.

This process takes about 2-3 secs, I am usually lucky to get a cast off which is often just resisted.

This game has a reputation for being more hardcore, but there are very obviously some major class balance issues going on here.

I have never felt like a free HK in any other online game I have ever played until I rolled this necro.

Do the devs not care about PvP balance?

Paikis · 02-25-2008, 02:49 AM

PvP is (and should be) balanced around group vs group PvP. Get a meat-shield to hide behind and you'll be fine.

Other things to try if you insist on soloing:
1. Upgrade all your spells/skills (atleast the main ones) to adept III or better and use nothing less than Mastercrafted. You can get some really nice gear (I mean REALLY nice for that level) out of Timorous Deep.
2. Perceptor's Command (Kingdom of Sky Achievement)
3. See-stealth totems (after lvl 20) Also use your see-invisibility spell
4. Make a target next PvP button. This will target anyone who is in range... I've even had this work through walls.
5. Find gear with procs. Good ones to look out for are: heals, wards, stuns, dazes, stiffles. This applies to all tiers, but mostly to T7+
6. NEVER go anywhere without freedom of mind and freedom of action potions. Also try to keep stocked up on cure potions and dont forget that you can cure arcane (alot of roots/snares)
7. Ask someone who palys a necro... these were just things I came up with off the top of my head. My highest level necro was level 17. Play around with it, talk to people. Necro's are NASTY if you know what you're doing.

Good luck!

Phaust · 02-25-2008, 10:02 AM

If you want to have fun pvping reroll, necro's suck.

firamas · 02-25-2008, 11:29 AM

necros are great DPS in raids, but quite possibly the weakest 1v1 PvPer

and yes, this game is balanced around group PvP. all of the "overpowered" scouts suddenly become mediocre in a 6v6 fight, where the good plate tanks, healers, and control classes start to shine.

Fiz · 02-25-2008, 11:45 AM

i wouldn't go so far as weakest 1v1 pvp'ers. Fear, lifeburn and lot of dots dots more dots handles most....bards? Also pretty easy to beat any sorcerer...without manashield. And...hmm...other summoners?

Pheelin · 02-25-2008, 11:48 AM

necros are the worst 1 v 1 class fiz

sure they get some "cool sounding spells" but they arent very good..

ok a necro fears you they get one resist they are dead... the fear lands great the person just used freedom of action no more fear they are dead again... lifeburn does some good damage but it also kill them.

bards are good... well troubs are, dirges can be ok if they have a good bow and LOTS of defense.. but necros have it worse than everyone..

Fiz there has to be a reason why you went back to Conj within a week of being a necro ...

firamas · 02-25-2008, 11:54 AM

fears get broken extremely easily, they are intended as a control effect to stabilize a PvE fight... if you're relying on them in PvP you're going to be disappointed.

DoTs that take forever to do damage are essentially worthless against most people because the necro is going to get an assload of burst DPS dropped on them and not be able to do much about it.

lifeburn is fine... if you're not already losing the fight. and if you're already well on your way to winning then who the fuck cares? =)

Fiz · 02-25-2008, 12:00 PM

oh no argument from me, congy's are by far the superior group pvp'er, because you have AA's that basically cut your spell cast times in half, and you have a much better blue background AE and 2 green backgrounds versus 1. But I promise you if I was fighting myself as necro/conjuror, my necro woudl win the majority of 1v1's. Obviously from my posts the only fights i would wind 6+ out of ten in 1v1 would be other ummoners and dirges...and sorcerers foolish enough not to have manashield. So yes, they are very weak 1v1, Since i know alot bards that can take alot of other classes. The ironic thing is summoners probably had one of the biggest nerfs in game, making dumbfires basicvally worthless and nerfing pet damage abotu a year ago...if they just put it BACK, we're probably atleast be in the bottom third/half in 1v1, but alas...summoners are overpowered i guess...

p.s. I honestly think summoners are pretty ok in a group.

also, lifeburn in pvp take very very little health.

Fiz · 02-25-2008, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firamas

fears get broken extremely easily, they are intended as a control effect to stabilize a PvE fight... if you're relying on them in PvP you're going to be disappointed.

DoTs that take forever to do damage are essentially worthless against most people because the necro is going to get an assload of burst DPS dropped on them and not be able to do much about it.

lifeburn is fine... if you're not already losing the fight. and if you're already well on your way to winning then who the fuck cares? =)

again, look at the classes i mentioned. Casting classes. Between the pet and dumbfires, you can do ok against casting classes.

firamas · 02-25-2008, 12:36 PM

alrighty... so necros can beat a couple of classes, but only within their own archetype, and only if those classes dont spec for PvP? that's a pretty convincing argument =p

just give it up dude, join us and agree that necros are the worst overall 1v1 class... we're not going to make fun of you for saying that!