PVP writs updated with 20 min timer - Page 7

k9quaint · 03-14-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiz

no, i think the pvp game is already too far gone for there to be any permanent reprieve regardless of what's said. But I do take issue with people posting excuses for it when it really lies in the actions of most the same people. The game could work if people want it to work, and it has in the past. But sadly, as k9quaint posted, most faction people today don't want to pvp, they want to get rewards and will pvp as a means of getting them. I can't say i entirely blame them, as ultimately, there is no objectives in pvp in Eq2 other than the pvp itself, especially with perma immunity and zone control no longer being a possible concept.

Alot has been made about the panacea that is exile, and it being the cause of the lack of pvp. But not a single person that posts this excuse ever goes exile to reap these mythical rewards of the faction, but rather would wallow in self pity and use it as an improper excuse for why they choose to not pvp. I wonder why that is?

I want to PvP, just in a game where PvP more central to character advancement (ala DAOC) instead of completely irrelevant to character advancement (ala exile eq2). This "do it for the love of the game" line is just a thinly spread excuse for SOE's stunning failure in development of and attention to PvP content in EQ2. If you have no character advancement thru PvP, you are better off in an FPS if you want to have fun blowing people up.

For some people, this is their first MMO or first PvP in an MMO and everything is new and amazing and cool. That is great, for them. To me, it is just an bad imitation of games past.

firamas · 03-14-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by k9quaint

If you have no character advancement thru PvP, you are better off in an FPS if you want to have fun blowing people up.

How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement as that? Who made you the arbiter of fun?

If people enjoy PvP, but they prefer to do it in an MMO rather than an FPS, who the fuck are you to tell them that they're "doing it all wrong"? Seriously, this whole "just go play an FPS if you want real PvP" attitude is complete bullshit. They are two TOTALLY different game genres, you can't even begin to compare them. (well, until they start to merge like Planetside... which, in an unrelated topic, I think was a pretty good idea for a game...)

Paikis · 03-15-2008, 12:08 AM

System Shock was pretty cool too.

k9quaint · 03-15-2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by firamas

How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement as that? Who made you the arbiter of fun?

If people enjoy PvP, but they prefer to do it in an MMO rather than an FPS, who the fuck are you to tell them that they're "doing it all wrong"? Seriously, this whole "just go play an FPS if you want real PvP" attitude is complete bullshit. They are two TOTALLY different game genres, you can't even begin to compare them. (well, until they start to merge like Planetside... which, in an unrelated topic, I think was a pretty good idea for a game...)

If they prefer to do it in this MMO, they are settling for a game with PvP features that were sub par a decade ago. Thats why I say that a lot of people who enjoy this game's pvp would probably enjoy modern FPS games a lot more. These two genres have been converging for quite a while, so they are quite comparable (team death match battlegrounds, capture the flag maps, call of duty with character advancement. etc).

If you love this game's PvE, you would not have more fun in an FPS, which is fine. That has nothing to do with my point.

Phineus · 03-15-2008, 03:19 AM

The real question is why if you are unhappy do you play EQ2? I played the pvp aspect until I no longer found it rewarding then I started raiding. I enjoy raiding and pvp occasionally. I however would not play eq2 at all if I did not have the availability of pvp.

I still have exactly 0 of my set pieces.

Borias · 03-15-2008, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Demron

I thought exiles only PvP'd when forced to, while going to the next raid?

Maybe on your server, Venekor.

Milambers · 03-15-2008, 10:38 AM

Timer should start from when you pick it up.

Ajjantis · 03-16-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Borias

Maybe on your server, Venekor.

According to all those whine posts it looks more like that Nagafen is meant =x

Acappella · 03-16-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajjantis

According to all those whine posts it looks more like that Nagafen is meant =x

No, right now its generally the factions that are avoiding the exiles. They're trying to make some bizarre statement about writ updates, mythical weapons and 24 classes by avoiding PvP. There is one strictly PvP guild, Immortals" whose guild as a whole is avoiding fighting exiles as a policy complete with lastnames like "Dont'fightexile"

Demron · 03-16-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Acappella

No, right now its generally the factions that are avoiding the exiles. They're trying to make some bizarre statement about writ updates, mythical weapons and 24 classes by avoiding PvP. There is one strictly PvP guild, Immortals" whose guild as a whole is avoiding fighting exiles as a policy complete with lastnames like "Dont'fightexile"

That's just silly. If you really want a strong case as to the power of Mythicals, fight against them, parse the outcomes. It should be real easy to find non-mythical exiles and mythical exiles to see the real difference they make.

I hope the Venekor exiles get their Mythicals. That's one hell of an accomplishment, and I'd give them the thumbs up for getting them.