firamas

His age is irrelevant here and does not correlate to his maturity; I'm pretty sure he's late 20's/early 30's if it really matters to you. What actually matters is his interaction with everyone else and the fact that he has, for some reason, chosen to present himself as an ignorant douchebag at every opportunity, as if he thinks thats will somehow increases the credibility of his arguments among his other idiots friends. Either that, or he does it for the lulz. Whatever. =)


Don't stereotype here. I cautioned LFG about that separately. There are a lot of people that are actually good players, but don't have the time to dedicate to a serious raid guild. Maybe they are independently wealthy or have a high paying job and not many bills... maybe they farmed in game for all their plat... I really don't care. The retail manager at Sears doesn't care where you got your money to pay for the cordless drill, he's there to sell you that product. Immediately stereotyping anyone that buys a raid update to a mythical weapon as an incompetent noob is merely a defense mechanism from people who are irrationaly scared of something... it's a smear campaign.

This whole stick-up-the-ass thing about virtual economies really needs to go away. There's nothing different about them when compared to a real economy, except for the fact that they take place in a virtual world. Capitalism exists everywhere; you've all engaged in some virtual version of it at many levels too... every time you sold an item on the broker, whether its Fabled or Treasured, you are providing an upgrade for someone. They might be in a competing guild in the same faction. They might be an enemy in an entirely different faction (PROTIP: FENCES SHOW BOTH CITY FACTIONS. EXILE BROKERS SEE ALL THREE FACTIONS. EVERY KUNARK BROKER ALSO LISTS ALL THREE FACTIONS --- **YOU HAVE BEEN SELLING TO ENEMIES FOR A LONG TIME NOW**), but either way you are accepting money (plat) to improve someone else's character.

The upgrade to a mythical weapon is not some atomic supercharger that allows you to strike down opposing armies with a wave of the hand in a Sauron-like fashion... it's certainly a worthwhile and decent upgrade for some classes, a moderate upgrade in PvP for others, but overall will not affect most characters in PvP on the scale that being [fully Mastered/Fabled vs AD3/Mastercrafted] or having something crazy powerful like a high proc chance reactive fear or detarget on a PvP item. Bottom line: if you are average or below average at PvP, a shiny new weapon is not going to make you Jesus. A lot of hard work at improving your tactics, the right class choice (or groupmate choice) for the situation, and enough gear will make the difference. This has always been the case.

I formally welcome all of you who have been whipped into a frenzied butthurt cryfest about this to get all the QQ out of your system, open your eyes, and get the fuck over yourselves. This is how the real world works. This isn't your perfect little fantasy utopia dreamworld where you get to sit on your throne and be the arbiter of truth and justice and right.

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lost

I got told that nagafen running out of quality Apps wasn't the problem, but what if it was all a plan to make money selling mythicals in order to pay for your guild to move to one of the deserted pvp servers and kill contesteds there?

Mwink

If that was the case wouldn't you guys be encouraging that?? So you can kill contested as well

firamas

If we were going to move to another server, it would be out of pocket expenses. Kraken does not support the buying or selling of platinum for real $$.

We are offering mythicals to the server for a certain price (and stand by for future offers as well!), and for those who have farmed masters or tradeskilled or market sniped enough platinum to pay, good for them. That is all.

And yeah, what Galrath said... wouldn't you guys be overjoyed that Kraken wouldn't be around to block you on avatars? You could pay off Resurrection to stay out of your hair and roll in the phatty avatar loots yet again. =) WHEE!

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Ayuk

you are a fucking joke you dumb pos.....i know more about this game then your ass could ever..one of these days you will understand some people choose not to raid day after day...one of the MAIN things i know is the fucking pvp of it...and you can stop this shit trying to protect the little man..we ALL know its BS smoke your trying to blow...Onyx could give a rats ass about blue and greens that you claim to fear for with City Faction buying epics...gtfo with that shit...your a JOKE on this server, you have no conviction and then pretend to care about the little man when we ALLLL know the only reason your worried is the groups who have been rolling your A-team and solors (WHEN they leave haven) are about to get alot meaner...=)

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LFG

You're pretty much a joke on the server man. I admit I don't know much about the game, despite playing it just about everyday since Nov. 2004. What I'm comforted by, however, is the fact you know even less about the game than I do.

Ayuk got pooooooooned.

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LFG

I'd honestly hate to see you guys go. Having a number 2 guild with a Propaganda Minister of your caliber, and that is always trying to one up us, provides endless entertainment and PVP opportunities that would be lost if you moved.

So please, equip the entire damn servers in mythicals if you want to achieve your true calling: a guild that farms for money, which will never be as good as a guild that plays to be number one.

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Firedawg

I dont think there is anything unethical about it. It just suprises me that Davram would be apart of this. Hell if it gets pvp up to where it is worth going out I would agree to run people through it for free. I honestly dont think anything will change though. Onyx and Kraken will argue over who is the top guild, factions will make some new excuse to why they lose to exiled guilds in pvp, people will evac and sit in immunity if they dont have the clear advantage, Phineus will not see the sun and consistantly lie, Become will make posts ten times longer than this one, and Onyx will keep pulling contesteds while Kraken blocks them until AoC comes out and everyone leaves.

On a side note I would love to see most of the factioned people get there mythicals so they would quit fucking whining and making excuses about why they lose. There are some people that will be deadly with them but not many.

Phineus

Lets take another look at this. Qeynos and freeport have 0 chance of getting mythicals this expansion. Due to logistical reasons more than anything else really. Exile has sucked up almost all the good players leaving the city with no way of killing nexona. We know this because we hear them complain on the boards about all classes for pages and pages and pages. There only real chance is to exile and join a guild capable and wether anyone wants to admit it Onyx and Kraken will not be the only two guilds to see the end of vp in this expansion. We all agree there is an advantage to having all classes so lets say they are renting a raid with all classes just long enough to get an update that no raid, worldwide, without all classes has accomplished. To me it looks like a valuable service and since we can see the majority spoke and said that they did not see it as unethical.

Udoaka

What if they do both?

Like... Farm money to equip the guild in masters and thus achieve a step on the path to being #1

Just Saying.