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View Poll Results: Is it unethical for guilds who clear VP to share/sell mythical quest updates?
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Yes - every player should earn their mythical epic through their own guild's progression.
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No - it is fair for them to share/sell to out of guild and friends as they wish.
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It doesn't matter.
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04-13-2008, 04:58 PM
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Server: Nagafen
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by Narkle
Exactly...PvE servers obviously lose nothing by doing this (well might hurt them a little on contested) and gearing up lazy ass enemies on PvP is retarded..ESPECIALLY cuz as a raid guild who the fuck and what the fuck do you need plat for??
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Ohhhh the true reason this post came about. Onyx is getting upset that factioned sides are going to have access to mythical weapons and slightly help to even the lopsided playfield, creating slightly less unfair fights (don't worry you still have access to both classes, we haven't taken away ALL of your easymode). Friggin insecure-about-your-own-skill-without-overwhelming-odds guild lol.
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04-13-2008, 05:15 PM
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Character: Oshef
Guild: The Kraken
Server: Nagafen
Posts: 247
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by firamas
Rather than play a shell game with threads in an attempt to save face by preventing the majority of the eq2flames population (who dont read PVP boards) from even seeing it, why not just own up to the fact that you and your guildmates are so butthurt over
a) Kraken beating you to the punch for selling mythicals
b) you and your guild getting pretty much mauled on the forums when you spoke out against this.... outside of the entire Onyx retard circle-jerk forum squad falling over eachother with "YEAH! TAKE THAT!" posts, most people, both PVE and PVPers, have said they either dont care or think it's just fine.
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Basically.
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04-13-2008, 05:37 PM
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Oobo ftw...=)
Character: Oobo
Guild: Chas Fan CLub
Server: Nagafan
Posts: 529
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by Gaige
Shouldn't be a concern to Onyx since you all have your mythicals already, so if anything it makes the fight against you balanced, its not as if they're getting something you don't already have.
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thats WHY they are crying they dont WANT the skilled players in faction who can own any of them in a 1v1 or 6v6 with a mythical it evens the battle field WAY to much for them
and its amazing not 2 days ago in one of the other threads they were claiming how Mythicals MADE little difference in a pvp fight and NOW its an issue..go figure..
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04-13-2008, 05:57 PM
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Character: Bish Please
Guild: Onyx
Server: Nagafen
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by Gaige
Shouldn't be a concern to Onyx since you all have your mythicals already, so if anything it makes the fight against you balanced, its not as if they're getting something you don't already have.
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It isn't going to affect us at all. We have no problem beating Kraken, and they have full Mythicals. So a small number scattered throughout the Freeport and Qeynos populations won't affect us in any way.
But to understand the issue, you first must consider (a) those willing and able to exile and back and pay Kraken to get their Mythicals and (b) those who those mythicals will be used against.
(a) is mostly hardcore gankers who either solo or PVP in groups of 2 to 6. These people usually only PVP based on extreme advantage. They will sit in immunity for one half hour after evaccing from a fight, until their evac is ready again. They almost never try and engage in a fair fight, but initiate PVP only when they have an extreme advantage, such as against solo players or groups they outnumber who are already fighting mobs. These people mostly camp sokokar posts waiting for greens and blues to fly in, or quest turn in NPCs so they can take money from greens and blues after they do quest turn ins. This is pretty much exclusively how these people PVP. >90% of them are rogues and preds, the PVP easymode classes. And Kraken is now making them more powerful.
(b) Those who these mythicals will mostly be used against are described above - the weak, the downtrodden, the lower level players trying to level. It is already miserable for soloers and small groupers trying to level on Nagafen, and Kraken is now making it even more difficult for them.
So I very much realize that Kraken equipping these people with mythicals isn't going to have much or even any affect on my gameplay. I play a defiler, and it would be pretty stupid for me to try and solo pvp much on my character anyway. My character is the opposite of a gank class - when I win in solo pvp, it's almost always in a 2 to 5 minute fight. Compare that to these gank classes who Kraken is equipping with mythicals, who usually win fights in a few seconds after getting the drop on someone who doesn't have tracking.
What I'm trying to point out is that Davram is not Robin Hood, and Kraken is not a band of Merry Men. They are lining their own pockets and fucking over all the lower level players on Nagafen in city factions.
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04-13-2008, 06:03 PM
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Guild: Onyx
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by Ayuk
thats WHY they are crying they dont WANT the skilled players in faction who can own any of them in a 1v1 or 6v6 with a mythical it evens the battle field WAY to much for them
and its amazing not 2 days ago in one of the other threads they were claiming how Mythicals MADE little difference in a pvp fight and NOW its an issue..go figure..
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You're a fucking idiot. My only consolation is that you are a low budget fucker who probably can't take Kraken up on their offer, so you won't get a mythical.
But mark my words, they will be used against you. And that gives me a feeling of joy. So fuck it, I hope Kraken does do this, because that will further ruin your gaming experience, and cause you to cry more, which will make me happy.
I no longer care what Kraken does or doesn't do. As Gaige pointed out, it really won't affect me anyway, except perhaps to drive additional people out of game who will no longer be able to compete against their opposing city.
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04-13-2008, 06:34 PM
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raidwide shards.....
Character: aeeron
Guild: the kraken
Server: nagafen
Posts: 748
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by LFG
You're a fucking idiot. My only consolation is that you are a low budget fucker who probably can't take Kraken up on their offer, so you won't get a mythical.
But mark my words, they will be used against you. And that gives me a feeling of joy. So fuck it, I hope Kraken does do this, because that will further ruin your gaming experience, and cause you to cry more, which will make me happy.
I no longer care what Kraken does or doesn't do. As Gaige pointed out, it really won't affect me anyway, except perhaps to drive additional people out of game who will no longer be able to compete against their opposing city.
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i dont cry much while playing a video game, but listening to you QQ on this thread is pretty funny and any other thread regarding us selling mythicals.
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04-13-2008, 09:04 PM
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Character: Become
Guild: The Kraken
Server: Nagafen
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by LFG
But to understand the issue, you first must consider (a) those willing and able to exile and back and pay Kraken to get their Mythicals and (b) those who those mythicals will be used against.
(a) is mostly hardcore gankers who either solo or PVP in groups of 2 to 6. These people usually only PVP based on extreme advantage. They will sit in immunity for one half hour after evaccing from a fight, until their evac is ready again. They almost never try and engage in a fair fight, but initiate PVP only when they have an extreme advantage, such as against solo players or groups they outnumber who are already fighting mobs. These people mostly camp sokokar posts waiting for greens and blues to fly in, or quest turn in NPCs so they can take money from greens and blues after they do quest turn ins. This is pretty much exclusively how these people PVP. >90% of them are rogues and preds, the PVP easymode classes. And Kraken is now making them more powerful.
(b) Those who these mythicals will mostly be used against are described above - the weak, the downtrodden, the lower level players trying to level. It is already miserable for soloers and small groupers trying to level on Nagafen, and Kraken is now making it even more difficult for them.
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I think you would be surprised at who's sent us PM's over the last week or two requesting a price check and estimated schedule on getting a mythical. It's not your stereotypical "gank classes".
You also grossly stereotype the attitude of the average PvPer, especially the more hardcore ones who go out there all the time in T8. Yes, there's a lot of lame shit going on across all tiers, but this is a fucking red server, if you don't think people are going to take every advantage to try to win, you are delusional. Be careful about making sweeping generalizations, they are usually wrong. For instance, I generalize Onyx as a bunch of sub-average intelligence, hive-mind, back-slapping, immature, forum-infesting idiots... but that only really applies to about 30% of you!
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04-13-2008, 09:48 PM
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Character: Alesis
Server: Unrest
Posts: 313
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
When did ethics become part of EQ2? There is nothing ethical about the game or its community. Its every man for himself, fuck the dude next to you and have a nice day.
If you even think the words ethics and EQ2 belong in the same sentence, you need to seriously put down your mouse, zip up your fly and go outside. I suggest taking a nap on the center line of your nearest highway.
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04-13-2008, 11:14 PM
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Oobo ftw...=)
Character: Oobo
Guild: Chas Fan CLub
Server: Nagafan
Posts: 529
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by LFG
You're a fucking idiot. My only consolation is that you are a low budget fucker who probably can't take Kraken up on their offer, so you won't get a mythical.
But mark my words, they will be used against you. And that gives me a feeling of joy. So fuck it, I hope Kraken does do this, because that will further ruin your gaming experience, and cause you to cry more, which will make me happy.
I no longer care what Kraken does or doesn't do. As Gaige pointed out, it really won't affect me anyway, except perhaps to drive additional people out of game who will no longer be able to compete against their opposing city.
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ok 1st of bitch you DONT fucking know me so dont assume to, i can afford their offer and i WILL be taking them up on it on 2 of my toons and again on a 3rd once he hits 80... i have made more plat in this game than a huge nahority and spent plenty time on the ton 20 wealthiest on several occasions so PLS leave your fucking assumptions to yourself..and senseit concerns you somuch to point it out i have over 1500pp between 4 toons so ty try again....has far as ur fucking fake ass concern about people using mythicals in gank squad situations and those people ONLY fighting with a clear advantage, thats fucking BS and you know it..95% of Onyx WILL NOT fight 1v1 and will evac if even numbers..i have had several of your fucking guild evac from me in clear 1v1 set ups so pls blow that fake ass concern smoke up someone elses ass..your a SCRUB ass player who pretends he knows anything about pvp sense he has an Onyx tag and couldnt pvp your way out of a paper sack so pls stfu
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04-13-2008, 11:16 PM
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Character: Bish Please
Guild: Onyx
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Re: Is it unethical to share/sell mythical quest updates outside of guild?
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Originally Posted by Ayuk
ok 1st of bitch you DONT fucking know me so dont assume to, i can afford their offer and i WILL be taking them up on it on 2 of my toons and again on a 3rd once he hits 80... i have made more plat in this game than a huge nahority and spent plenty time on the ton 20 wealthiest on several occasions so PLS leave your fucking assumptions to yourself..and senseit concerns you somuch to point it out i have over 1500pp between 4 toons so ty try again....has far as ur fucking fake ass concern about people using mythicals in gank squad situations and those people ONLY fighting with a clear advantage, thats fucking BS and you know it..95% of Onyx WILL NOT fight 1v1 and will evac if even numbers..i have had several of your fucking guild evac from me in clear 1v1 set ups so pls blow that fake ass concern smoke up someone elses ass..your a SCRUB ass player who pretends he knows anything about pvp sense he has an Onyx tag and couldnt pvp your way out of a paper sack so pls stfu
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Such anger.
You may want to check with them before you pay to see if they can still clear to your mob.
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