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View Poll Results: Is it unethical for guilds who clear VP to share/sell mythical quest updates?
Yes - every player should earn their mythical epic through their own guild's progression. 63 23.86%
No - it is fair for them to share/sell to out of guild and friends as they wish. 130 49.24%
It doesn't matter. 71 26.89%
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Old 04-14-2008, 04:43 AM  
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Cuz you are a flaming dusty vagina humping queer..Thats why
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:55 AM  
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In a PVP environment I'd guess I'd hate to be ganked by someone who bought a bunch of plat or someone who barely had seen an epic mob before the bought Epic update run.

For PVE... Well, I guess it's not much worse than having mythicals on alts, and since I'm one of those I'll just shut up in that matter. :D

Sad to see guild selling themselves out like that though.
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In a PVP environment I'd guess I'd hate to be ganked by someone who bought a bunch of plat or someone who barely had seen an epic mob before the bought Epic update run.

For PVE... Well, I guess it's not much worse than having mythicals on alts, and since I'm one of those I'll just shut up in that matter. :D

Sad to see guild selling themselves out like that though.
Forgive me, given the effect of PvE items in PvP this whole thread makes me curious. With the above stated, why do you feel any better that it is PvE skill earning the item that's ganking you with no PvP equivalent? Also, would you feel as bad if the person is actually good at PvP but isn't exile and as such has little other chance at getting the updates?
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Old 04-14-2008, 07:10 AM  
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NOBODY FROM QEYNOS OR FREEPORT ACTUALLY HAS A MYTHICAL THAT WAS BOUGHT ON NAGAFEN(PVP). THERE IS ONE GUY, ONE MOTHER FUCKING GUY, IN THE PROCESS. LETS KEEP MAKING THIS SOUND LIKE EVERYONE ON THE MIAMI DOLPHINS IS GOING TO GET A SUPERBOWL RING THIS SEASON.
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NOBODY FROM QEYNOS OR FREEPORT ACTUALLY HAS A MYTHICAL THAT WAS BOUGHT ON NAGAFEN(PVP). THERE IS ONE GUY, ONE MOTHER FUCKING GUY, IN THE PROCESS. LETS KEEP MAKING THIS SOUND LIKE EVERYONE ON THE MIAMI DOLPHINS IS GOING TO GET A SUPERBOWL RING THIS SEASON.
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personally, I think the only people that could possibly be upset about this, and have a right to be upset, are people of the guild selling mythicals. and since I assuem the discussion was had on their own boards and the guidl was okay with it. If the members remain, then their agreement is implicit. Now speaking from personal view, i don't think I'd do the same. Plat really is worthless is most highend guilds, there's only so many master you can buy, and repair costs are pretty much already covered from raid trash. What else would you use the money for? PvP, or PvE, I wouldn't want to diminish the primary reason people are attracted to your guild, which is you ability to tackle the highest end game content in game and reap the best rewards. What would be interesting is if a faction guild got their head out of their ass, got all the pvp gear, along with mythicals...and you'd basically be impossible to beat in game. Except that most of the competent pvp'ers are already in Exile, so it really doesn't matter.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:09 AM  
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I think its fucked up that you are in essence selling to your enemy on pvp, but nothing necessarily wrong with it.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:51 AM  
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I think its fucked up that you are in essence selling to your enemy on pvp, but nothing necessarily wrong with it.
The United States has a long and interesting history of "selling to the enemy" in the last 30 years or so. Some of the reasoning behind it was political, some was militaristic, some was just plain confusing. In the end, weapons make the world go round. The greatest paradigm shifts in history have been born from some kind of military action, revolution, or coup. Your current friends may become enemies, and your enemies can become friends. You never know what the future has to offer.

The fact that Onyx is taking such a crazy holier-than-thou attitude towards this is astonishing to me. Putting aside the fact that this is a fucking game, and this is NOT an ethical issue in any way, Onyx is far from the pristine example of moral and ethical goodness that they seem to be professing to be. You guys have black marks smeared up and down your guild roster and guild history, in all sorts of interesting little corners of the drama universe. I'm just kind of excited that this topic is the root cause of so much chatter. I feed on that kind of stuff. I'm like a drama vampire, feasting on the sticky-sweet blood of the eternally misguided.

Good times. =)
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:00 AM  
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I'm curious as to the justification for this thread being moved, while much clearer PvP oriented posts aimed at attacking or discrediting Kraken (such as this one by Faabio with replies by many other Onyx) were allowed to stay in the General Gameplay section.

It's a stretch at best to claim that the discussion of progression-for-hire is solely a PvP issue. For those who answered Yes to this poll - the ball is in your court to explain as to why.

Please review the last five pages of this thread and show me how this is a PVE thread in any way.

Do that and I'll move it back. On second thought, if it is really important to you and this is going to become some political issue about this really being the Onyx website and me being a Nazi admin, I'll move it back anyway.

My point was, this really isn't a PVE thread. You know, I know, and everyone with eyes in their head and thoughts in their brain knows this is a PVP thread. But if you want it moved back so I can listen to PVE people bitch about having a PVP thread in the PVE section, just say the word and I'll move it back, because it isn't worth arguing about.
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I'm curious as to the justification for this thread being moved, while much clearer PvP oriented posts aimed at attacking or discrediting Kraken (such as this one by Faabio with replies by many other Onyx) were allowed to stay in the General Gameplay section.

It's a stretch at best to claim that the discussion of progression-for-hire is solely a PvP issue. For those who answered Yes to this poll - the ball is in your court to explain as to why.
Because on pve servers, it doesn't make any difference if you hook up other people with mythicals. Because on blue servers, they would only come into play on contesteds. But any guild that can kill an avatar/tangrin can ALREADY GET MYTHICALS THEMSELVES.

On this server, you are directly responsible for people that are unable to put forth the effort to get these, getting them. I wonder how it would feel the first time your group gets steamrolled by a faction group that you sold mythicals to. Or when you lose even more than you do now. "Gosh, that 100pp split sure was worth getting griefed constantly now."

Selling mythicals on blue servers doesn't change much, if anything at all. Doing so here actively affects the playerbase as a whole. That is why this is a pvp issue only. GG if you can't understand that.
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