PvP is Balanced

Elucard · 08-30-2008, 03:25 AM

Hello,

I posted this on the EQ2 forums, but I knew I wouldn't get properly flamed for my ideas. So I figured I should take my beating and post it here.

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Greetings,

(If you have A.D.D skip to the bottom and just read the summary)

I hear a lot about how imblanaced the pvp is in eq2. People go on and on as if some other game has absolutely perfected the balance of the classes. In my opinion EQ2 is balanced and it's done so in a manner that many people simply dont see.

First lets examine what balance may mean:
Balance, which is defined as a state of equality, or all things being equal. It's NOT possible to balance all classes in the 1v1 game. You have to consider Class abilities, Gear, Spell/CA levels, terrain, and even God powers. To say that the devs COULD balance all the classes so that the outcome was determined soley by the skill of the player is a ludicris notion that will NEVER see fruision (been trying to use that word).

The dev's are NOT stupid. Contrary to what you may say or think, the devs know as much or more about the game than most any of us. They know the numbers behind everything. They may elude to a different theory but if they wanted they can actually examine the algorithms that make the decisions in this game.

In the knowledge and experience of the devs I find that they balanced the game very well. And here is how I see it:
You may have noticed that most things in EQ2 that are worth doing require something specific. A group. And in some cases a few groups are required. Like say 4 for example.

Knowing that this is an MMO, a community game, a game that requires friendships to be established and allies to be had for supreme advancement; the dev's balanced the classes. They knew that classes had to be balanced with the group in mind. Since a huge majority of the game requires a group. Most people complaining about imbalances dont stop to look at the big picture. You can't balance the classes so that it's based soley on skill. You can hardly even get close. However, you CAN balance the game to a fair degree if you base it on the group aspect of the game.

Summary:
EQ2 is a PvE game, balanced for group content. Classes aren't balanced on their own, their balanced with the group aspect in mind. If it were any different than every class could solo as well as any other. So if the game was specifically balanced with group PvE in mind, what makes any of us think that it will not be balanced in the same way for PvP.

In conclusion, EQ2 is balanced well in pvp. EQ2 is a community game that requires a community to exceed in both PvE AND PvP.

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Now, flame on. and be sure to tell me how unfair and unbalanced pvp is even in groups.

Zacii · 08-30-2008, 11:11 AM

you fucking suck

Elvbryn · 08-30-2008, 11:30 AM

Eq2 is balanced?

how many bards are in a raid?, how many Illu?, what class is hands down the best Raid tank?, how useful are druids?, where do summoners fit in?

yea i TOTALLY agree here classes must be balanced

dakkota · 08-30-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvbryn

Eq2 is balanced?

how many bards are in a raid?, how many Illu?, what class is hands down the best Raid tank?, how useful are druids?, where do summoners fit in?

yea i TOTALLY agree here classes must be balanced

Like theres any game where the character selection is balanced, theres always obviously suck characters and pro characters but all are usually capable. Look at Mario Kart, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter etc, like everyone played as Zangief and raced around with Princess Toadstool. Even in Quake 3, you obviously use rocket launcher, rail gun and lighting gun if you don't want to suck. Don't run around with the grenade launcher and plasma gun talking about how the guns in the game blow - you're choice of guns just blows. Same reason i hate when classes bitch about not being on raids if they arn't raid desirable. Don't pick the 'fat kid' role and maybe you will have a better time. Just go with the tried and true!

umph! I think the game is just fine with the way it works now.

Beandip · 08-30-2008, 01:21 PM

Fuck Zangief and Princess Toadstool, they sucked along with anyone that picked em.

dakkota · 08-30-2008, 02:46 PM

amen!

Elvbryn · 08-30-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dakkota

Like theres any game where the character selection is balanced, theres always obviously suck characters and pro characters but all are usually capable. Look at Mario Kart, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter etc, like everyone played as Zangief and raced around with Princess Toadstool. Even in Quake 3, you obviously use rocket launcher, rail gun and lighting gun if you don't want to suck. Don't run around with the grenade launcher and plasma gun talking about how the guns in the game blow - you're choice of guns just blows. Same reason i hate when classes bitch about not being on raids if they arn't raid desirable. Don't pick the 'fat kid' role and maybe you will have a better time. Just go with the tried and true!

umph! I think the game is just fine with the way it works now.

I personally don't care im just calling bullshit on some one saying classes are Balanced when they are not

Milambers · 08-31-2008, 12:06 PM

EQ2 PvP is not balanced. Not even in groups, at all.

Szai · 08-31-2008, 12:13 PM

Ken and Luigi ftw

Pink Poodle · 09-01-2008, 07:58 PM

I'm a necromancer, so I say it isn't balanced.