Originally Posted by Ajjantis

Spyderbite what are you doing in the pvp section? you dont pvp sir.

Originally Posted by Zacii

That is why you are on Vox, you cant really pvp or even think of a decent idea.

I do however, like the concept. Fame gain and loss EXACTLY like now, but an xp bar for fame that shows how close you are to getting the next title, and losing yours.

Originally Posted by nijaph

god damnt!! i hate having to be so blunt but i guess ill get to the point!!!!!! my name is olafo im the best inquis ww.... willing to prove it anytime... on any server.... to anyone.... vox has the best player base, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Originally Posted by td2eq2flames

Maybe they should have a FAME XP bar like the Adventure and the Tradeskill. Like in the game the tougher the opponent you kill the more XP (Fame) you gain and the weaker the less. If your killed in PVP you should get Fame Debt in relation to the person who killed you, or group for that matter. Then it needs to be worked off to continue gaining fame.

This way you keep the title you EARNED and only loose it if you gain 100% debt and are killed fairly.

My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Zacii

The idea about differing rewards regarding group size is good on paper, but so easily exploitable by breaking off and taking fame from same dude 2-3 times it becomes unstable and shit, and the whole idea of giving a necro more fame is bad because it doesnt help them, it just gives them more fame for the very few times they win solo, and group based that more fame for being a tier three class is ridiculous.

So please, my above post holds true and is not unwarranted, I just did not go into detail abot why you need to kill yourself.

Originally Posted by Elucard

I think SOE is on to something with their new fame system. I'm not saying their new system is the best way to go. But the fact that they're changing it is an acknowledgment that it's flawed.

The pvp system should take more into consideration than which players lived in pvp and which players died.

There are already some rules in effect, such as:
Start a fight with a guy who has less than 50% HP and you get no fame
Start a fight with a grey-con and you get no fame

Rules like that are good but if you people actually wanted the title system to give some indication of "skill" then there needs to be more rules. Because face it, it takes 0 skill for a group of 6 to kill 1 necro. Yet so many of you get your titles by doing just that. And then you complain that this new system doesn't grant you the prestige that you earned.

So in short; if you folks actually want the title/fame system to be a declaration of your "skill" then tell SOE to implement rules like this:

1. The amount of fame given is based on how many jackasses you have in your group compared to the player you kill. So for examples:

Example 1)
Your group of 5 rolls a solo player.
You get very little fame

Example 2)
Your group of 6 rolls a group of 4
You get decent amount of fame

Example 3)
Your group of 2 kills group of 3
You get increased fame

This is already, to an extent, in place. Notice how you don't get instatitles by rolling solos in a raid all night.

Get it? So when you're flying around at night with your pvp group of 6, jumping off the bird to stop and kill every soloer you see, so that in the morning when your other friends get online you can brag about your stupid title, you'll be fuckered.

Now the complain will be said: But then nobody will group for pvp? Sure they will, but you'll be rewarded based on your "skill" and based on the challenge of the kills you make. You do want your title to be an indication of your uber skills, right? I mean thats what you said.

I slightly disagree mostly with this shit because really what would it do? It would just make the groups roll in smaller groups, IE 2 groups of 2 instead of 4. Sorta like they do now for unflagged raids for pvp writs. You're not gonna stop the steamrolling; this is an MMO, go find a group.

Okay Rule #2, and I'm only posting this rule idea for all the fucktards who play an SK, use only HT, and claim they're skilled.

Rule 2:
SOE should keep a few tiers of classes. Based on how bad they fuck up balance, these tiers can change.

So for example, classes that are considered by all to be pretty much OP, would be in T1. Classes that are pretty well balanced would be T2. And classes in T3 would be the ones that everyone laughs at. Like necros.

When fame is dolled out, you would be awarded fame based on how shitty or how op of a class you were playing compared to the guy you slaughtered.

So say I'm playing a T1 class and I kill three T3 classes. It took no skill to kill them because I'm OP and I fucking know it. Then I go and I kill one T1 class. Well I think the system should say that I get about the same amount of fame for killing the three T3's as I did the one T1.

Because plain and simple; it takes skill to succeed at a shitty class. How many necros do you see out there pwning newbs? Not many. Only the good ones (or the ones in groups of 6).

The mere fact you said all that proves you suck at pvp on your class. Get better. Yeah there's some easier classes, but come on. To take from your example, if a group of 3 "shitty" classes cant beat your 1 "op" class, then they suck, sorry. And those people spamming HT all the time? Well last I checked there wasn't a class in the game that with halfway not fucked up gear could get one-shotted by HT, or even drop them much past half. Stop whining, get better. And while youre at it, go check out Koppar's PvP video in the necro threads...and that there, good sir, is SKILL; just because someone didn't roll what you called a shitty class doesn't mean they don't have skill as well.

And on the other hand, it takes no skill to play other classes. Say an sk for example. We all know they're rigged right now. So how can an SK go and say "my title expresses my uber skills" when all it really expresses is the fact that SOE screwed up class balance and you've seen your advantage?

You've never fought a shitty SK I take it? Yeah, they're unbalanced atm, but don't just dismiss all SKs...I knew plenty of SKs that are completely awesome at their classes reguardless of pre/post TSO and in PvE and PvP alike.

I can see disagreeing with Rule #2 cause whos going to decide which classes are which tiers? Right? (I'll decide if you want me to ;)

But if you disagree with rule #1, you had better have a damn good reason. Otherwise you're in danger of being one of the stupid people I mentioned previously. And trust me, there are a lot of you out there.