Xium

I understand what your saying. and Rangers are not the only class having issues with the gear/weapons they have been using.

What im saying is, there is no ISSUE at all, with my dps, nor will there ever be. because if i see a problem with something i am using, i stop using it.

there will be t8 arrows in ths game, yes its retarded they are not in yet concidering we are rangers and use arrows. "hense the whole work with what you got"

i dont concider 60k parses a bad thing? concidering im not in a "high notch im more powerful than your momma" guild. the #k parse i was throwing out there, is not a bad # concidering the mobs are orange.

if your not happy with your class, and if you dont think the devs are going to fix the issues you seem to having with "figuring out where u stand" in your guild. then your best choice is to betray, and stop whineing about not feeling needed.

I am always needed in the raid, based on my DPS, i have never had the issue with my dps going down because of arrows. the only useless thing i see about rangers, is the fact we have nothing BUFF wise to contribute to the raid/group. hense why we are 100%dps classes. if im wrong then that cool i learn something.

all im sayin, is if your bitching about your dps, and feeling like your giving nothing to your raid, then the better outcome would be you betraying and doing what u do best.

not everyone is bitching about their dps in raids, or the shitty agi buff they give us or the lack of buffs to contribute to others.

if i was seeing this issue and having problems keeping my dps from going backwards, then i would 100% be with you on this. but as of now, i have no issues with the ranger class, except my previous complaint.

every guild is different, and has different setups for each class. maybe they should stop sticking you in the mage group /laughs

Xium

i read some of that, i would never use RSB, i used it once, and sold it. call me retarded, i know everyone says "omg uber bow" but i do more dps with stardarkened. used the same tech with RSB, and my dps came out around 1k short give or take a couple.

im sure your going to say im nuts, but its the bow that works best for me. lol

Azleya

Actually I get an excellent setup and parse extremely well for my class (the whole idea of a ranger in a mage group is pretty pointless). The problem is that this simply isn't good enough compared to other classes who are similarly maxed out (mages in specialized mage groups with near-100% spell crit, etc.). Within the context of my guild, I do decently, but not well enough to justify my spot over other classes with utility, and top world-wide performers of other classes (ones with utility) do better than I do (and at this point I'm sure I'm one of the very top-performing rangers in the game). You're simply not thinking from an economic standpoint. No, ranger dps doesn't go down because of the fucked up arrow mechanics, but it is limited in its growth potential in RoK compared to other classes because of those mechanics. Right now, quite simply, it's clearly better to have a similarly maxed-out and top-performing assassin, rogue, or sorceror than me. And if you think not many others have been complaining, you obviously haven't taken the time to read any of the 50 threads on the matter that are littered all over this site. Drop the casual attitude and open your eyes to what classes are really parsing and start thinking about this shit critically from the standpoint of a raid-maximizing raid leader. You're not thinking about it this way because, as you said yourself, you're not in a really high-powered guild, but I am, and when you have the experience I do in this setting, it becomes obvious that this is the way you need to think about shit to determine the overall health of a class.

Also, you're nuts to use star-darkened. If you did more extensive testing, and under reasonably controlled conditions, your error would become obvious.

Jagerr

Now i see you tossing alot of parses out here and i am assuming that these are single fights and not zone wides. If you are doing 4.5 - 5.5 ZW in orange raid zones (VP) then i aparently am failing at playing a ranger. That being said what are your ZWs of these zones? I dont see how using a RSB kills your DPS by 1k unless its a very small sample size.


And on a second note i continue to play a ranger because i have been through so many ups and downs with the class that i find it hard to really play any other class consistantly. I was over powered for DoF (That was glorious) got nerfed to shit in KoS (Yes i betrayed to assassin for a bit) Climbed back in to the ranger ring in EoF and am now just riding out the latest crest of nerfs/setbacks/broken mechanics. The class has always been in a constant state of flux and has been since eq1. Verant/Sigil/SoE has had no clue what to really do with us since 1999 and ive grown to accept that fact. You know what i have going on now? Alts : i have a inquisitor im bringing up along with a zerker. If the class stays broken forever than i guess one of those becomes my main but untill then....

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Jagerr

And the other issue that i bet alot of rangers are also experiencing at this point is that due to the fact that (at least at the high end level of raiding) that the groups that you were formerly getting when sitting at number 1 on the parse...well guess what as you slip in dps you are also going to slip in group preferance. Why the fuck should groups be moved around to accomidate your dps if your only number 3 or 4?

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Vailenn

Wow 4.5 - 5.5k on orange mobs, that is impressive, if its true. Also as Jag mentioned group assembly has alot to do with what you put out.

I have justified why I continue to play a ranger before so I won't go through it again, and Jag and some others have summed it up pretty well. All I ever wanted to play since EQ1 was a ranger.

Sony gives and takes away from every class at given times. They increase mob/zone difficulty to offsst increasing player debuff and dps, then they struggle to balance that. Then they try to make crafters happy with the mechanics thing and totally forget to take it into consideration when they raise character level.

They have to fix the mechanics, should they have given the Myth Epic the ability to summon arrows? Yea I think they should have would have fixed rangers only on the mechanics issue. Should we have a utility yea by now we should have, we got one finally in EQ1.

There will always be these waves. If your happy with the class play it, if your not roll something else, but you will be pleased and dissapointed with that class as well.

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Vorlon

I love playing the ranger class. That's about it.
Being able to hit a mob from far out, do good dps, snare kite very well, solo pretty well..etc. I do good on parses in our raids. I typically #1 - 5 position on the parse. It all depends on what group setup I have for that night ( when we are dirge, illus deficient ) and how fast we pull as to what skills are up at the start of the fight.

As far as utility, yeah we don't have much there like a lot of other dps classes do. We do have an aggro increaser for our assist target which is called Blame Arrow that gives 30% hate to them for a short duration. We have a defense debuff and heat debuff. O and we have pathfinding! woot! lol.

Atleast we have a few things that help out during raids to some degree and we can still dish out some nice dps if you have the right gear and group setup imo.

BUT, yes I agree that we have some broken items that need to be addressed too. I will just keep playing the class because I love it and just pray that SoE comes around to fixing us one day. /shrug

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Mirdo

Time invested - main since launch
Sentimental attachment to the toon
Roughly every 6 months our DPS is where it should be (if you can get the gear).

tbh that's about it. It's really only guild and friends holding me in the game right now. With the epic nerf coming ahead of the Raincaller fix (which I had already completed luckily) and the arrow mechanic fix, i'm getting pretty fed up with how the class is handled. The DPS yo-yo'ing is also frustrating as hell too.

Oh and my final mini rant, why the fuck do Rangers ALWAYS have to kill the bosses of an instance to get their top end bows?

Tarinax / Venekor, Woushi, Phara Dar. Really helps the DPS of the Rangers in the middling guilds...

yeah yeah, classic emo Ranger

Xium

i've talked to a few other rangers and was slapped around and explained why the rsb is quit different than star.. also to unconfuse u, and sorry for not saying this in the other post. it's not ZW its a avg per fight. sorry again for the confusion

Dantel

If your raid force has a Ranger in it, it is not optimized.

Consider the Bruiser and SK. People don't usually have them in their raid force, or shouldn't, and for very good reasons. The only concievable reason you would want a Ranger is for DPS. Other classes can match or beat our dps and provide utility.

I think you'll find it hard to argue against these points, and to just blankly ignore it or bash them for what they are is to be ignorant or biased.

I love my class, and I love playing it every day. But I'm also a min/max kind of person, and despite how much I like something, that doesn't mean it's the best shoe for the foot. Maybe that will change, but as it stands I would take any number of dps+utility classes out there over a Ranger, any day.

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