Dantel

The design for the Ranger class, as a whole, is flawed. Given that every class needs masters to be at their maximum potential, and equally uber gear, the Ranger class emerges as the most expensive. Bazkul was a nice gift in this sense because free ammo > all.

Granted to most this doesn't really matter, what with guild splits and just general wealth gains. However it's still there, money spent in order to do what we do. On top of the poisons, which other scouts also must spend money on, one would think we'd be near the top of the damage charts.

Instead we're one of the most restricted classes because they just can't let us do our damage. In my mind, we pay for the damage we should be able to do, so let us do it heh.

As it is the game is lacking in consistent logic all across the board, and I hope all issues are addressed to be fixed.

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Hexus

It's not like this is a new issue...

I remember several LU's ago they changed arrows to ACTUALLY fucking have levels, because they were tired of rangers and warriors and everyone using tin arrows to fight T5 and T6 content, they wanted the crafters to mean something when they made arrows.

For Aeralik to say this has been an issue since the beginning of the game is complete and utter fucking bullshit, this is an issue they created because of tradeskill viability.

-Hexus-

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Pheelin

ok well i just recieved a PM from Aeralik from the official forums and it doesnt look good for rangers. basically we may see a small upgrade in damage but nothing big

PM from Aeralik:
"Rangers are quite able to top the parse right now even with the current mechanics which is why I said they are doing well. They don't have the utility of say a brigand or an illusionist but they also have more than you give them credit for. In all you arent going to see anything radical damage wise except a minor increase because it just isnt needed."

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Drodin

isnt needed? While thats highly debatable, something still has to be said for 98% of the rangers having to rely on T7 weapons to perform their best. Any melee class can easily run instances to have some solid upgrades, our weapon upgrade comes from an avatar, the only bow better is a mythical, and as far as I know nothing is better for our secondary.

So, while a ranger could top the parse if all their shit is lined up to go and have a solid group, there is no way we are doing the damage we are supposed to with having no significant weapon upgrades compared to the competition. A bow like Vol'Drath should perform as a solid upgrade from RSB whether we are fine without it or not. There has to be some progression for us. By his logic, nobody needed any gear in T8 and that would be just as unacceptable as the no bow upgrades are now.

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jaspor

I would like to talk to the Ranger in a high end raiding guild that is topping the parse zonewide, could care less about spikes. Who is this person and what bow are they using? SHOW YOURSELF DAMIT!

Where does the data come from what supports the "Rangers are quite able to top parse"? If this is true are we doing something wrong? I am not the best ranger out there so is it that I suck?

I have two ROK bows sitting in my pack not being used...thats friggen stupid. I hope "minor increase" makes them worth using at least.

KehnWyndraven

I personally have been thinking along the same lines. Aeralik keeps pulling out this: "The calculations say rangers should have no problem topping parses." But who out there actually does?

Are we all just shitty rangers who are too stoopid to figure out how to maximize our class?

I think its time Aeralik showed us these examples. Showed us that he is unbiased in his observations. Showed us that we do suck at our class. Showed us that he is not, in fact, an asshat who is artificially inflating the assassin class and deflating the rangers so that he can be the best parse on his server, as seems to be an increasing view here.

He demands that we assume he is correct without giving any support for his claims.

It is a sad state of affairs, and from what I've been reading here and elsewhere, is going to lead to a lot less rangers and a lot more assassins - assuming players betray instead of quitting altogether.

I don't see this as a great way to keep a playing, paying audience. Especially when other classes, including objective assassins, see rangers as a fucked class.

Pheelin

i parse decent in my guild (we aren't an uber raid guild in VP yet)

but sure i parse in the top 4 zonewide (normally 3rd or 4th) but that is with an Assassin and Warlock above me, Warlock about 500 dps above me and assassin like 1-1.5k dps above me ( our assassin is exceptional though )

but the people that are just under me are like 50 - 200 dps away from my zonewide, and those classes are the illusionist, necro, brig and sometimes conj... so they are basically on par with me. as t2 dps classes

and in raids im using RSB, and my str is around 750 ish and 72% ranged crit 25% double attack (without IA) and 61% spell crit.. my dps mod is around 85 all the time and haste probably around the same maybe a little more..

there is no reason i should be 1k dps away from other t1 dps classes
sure im not setup like some are but i dont see that being half bad

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Pinski

Could it be the assassin gets an insanely stacked group, while you do not?

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gungo

I expect very little change in ranger dps form the current setups of RSB and bazkul ammo. In fact you only loose about a ~7% base damage on RSB. So his statements are correct.

What I do expect after the change is that your epic weapon will increase your dps dramatically since it has ~25% base damage reduction.

The question really is right now your dps should not increase much, but will your dps increase when you upgrade your weapon?

Every ranger seems to be assuming your dps will drop and you will need your mythical epic to be able to perform adequately in raids. I still have never seen that response in any of aeriliks statements. I do expect upgraded weapons will upgrade your dps.

Drodin

If ammo and bow were to work as intended, or the way anyone would assume is intended, then the fabled epic should slightly overthrow RSB, but a bow such as Vol'Drath or Dragonhawk would/should win hands down. I've never seen anyone think that the mythical would be the only way to do well enough in raids IF ammo were to be fixed.

I dont't really expect a huge boost as aeralik said, maybe 500 ZW on average with Vol'Drath.
What I would like to see is an assassin compare some parses with the best weapons of T7, to the better weapons of T8 (assassin mythical and maybe throatripper) and see the dps difference there for reference.

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